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Yup definitely disrespectful... Id much rather it if they contact the guy directly, and I think most guys would prefer that too, because if they wanted to make those details public, they would have. Most guys (with any sense lol) do ask the reviewer privately though, its what they call back channeling. Smiling

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Seems to me that the review should be short and sweet, let you know she is the person in the pics, she is worth what she charges, her place was safe, she smelled good, whatever.

If you want to know specifically what to expect on the date, how hard is it to PM the girl and ask her? If you don't like the answer, move on to the next girl.

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......I was just offering an alternative to those suggesting that the reviews are the only way to find out if they can "get what they want".

I readily admit I am very new to this site....

Just for clarification, how new are you to the hobby? Your alternative of just PMing the lady on specifics is something you are seriously suggesting?

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Okay Kelsi, to answer you seriously...

Not sure what your quote has to do with anything. No one "violently" opposed you...and just because someone doesnt wholeheartedly agree with you does not mean they are of mediocre mind. As a matter of fact, I did not agree or disagree with you. I read your post, got the message that you were not happy with the implications reviews may have, and so I gave my suggestions to you on how to grow within the business without having to deal with reviews. I did not insult you or your intelligence, and at no point did I invalidate your opinion so all that defensive backlash on your part was not called for.

The problem isnt *the system* its one particular site only that requires explicit reviews and will not even approve the review if its not raunchy enough. NR is not that site...as a matter of fact, with the majority of review sites, the guys are free to say whatever they want without having to be explicit. If a guy does it, its because *he* chose to and as I mentioned in my first post, most times a guy will respect a ladies wishes for discretion.

That is where change starts, within your own business by communicating your feelings about explicit reviews with the men you meet. And it doesnt have to be a long tirade of whats wrong with the system, a simple "I would appreciate a review, but please dont be explicit" is more than enough to get the point across.

Nicole, in your reply earlier, you offer sound advice, for any ASP just starting out. But my point is missed all together when perception creates responses filled with advice on how to avoid reviews, go UTR, screen, think, & not dare question that preserved in stone. However, the latter response on daring to question that set in stone, is the only premise related to my written topic.

You seemed eager to take offense of the analogy used to paint a visual of how severely I suspect LE to view our community's activities. And which is just that - severe, exaggerated, how gossip escalates each time it changes messenger's, judged by a hypocrite who's probably even morally-challenged. It would be pretty audacious & repulsive of me to stand pointing fingers of judgement at all of you serial-killer-acting heathens, when I'm a heathen too. Think about that sentence for a moment & read it again if necessary, but can you actually sit there & tell me you really think I view us as heathens, serial killers, etc or that I'm ignorant enough to judge the rest of you, while omitting myself from the group for this one instance, to appear that I'm somehow better than all of you? Really?

Someone made the facetious comment earlier about this thread making their head hurt & losing irreplaceable time from their life, & I've got to say, minus the sarcasm, I'm right there with 'em. I've done nothing but "back-channel" my intent & defend my sincerity, reiterating the definition & motive, which all the Einsteins got defensive over, assuring me they're not idiots... then why for the love of God have only those with an understanding, relevant suggestions, and/or concerns, PM'd me with their response versus publishing their version of what they have no idea we're talking about, for all the world (those interested) to see?! As a matter of fact, I've been glued to this board, in conjunction with increments of my realistic life & its routine, & haven't much responded to the valid messages received regarding this post, so, no point in continuing to waste my time with counter-production here b/c that just makes me the idiot!

Oh yeah, the Einstein quote? That one I can understand how my intentions could be vague, b/c it's left open for much interpretation. But here's the translation, my bad... I was thinking about how some get uncomfortable when change or its opportunity is presented, about how some think only on behalf of someone else's bandwagon with no opinion of their own, about how all new inventions are laughed at in their premature stage, & how the majority thinks anyone with an idea they've never thought to question themselves, is straight crazy... something I'm familiar with. I love quotes & have a few myself. This led to my fave Albert Einstein quote... it just fit. Take it however you want to, as you will anyway, but my need to explain myself to those who could care less that are of no help anyway, ends here. No offense.

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Big bad wolf, you seem to have the gift of writing. I have enjoyed a many of your posts, yes even the BP one. I took it as satire when I first read it, found it to be very funny myself.

For the life of me I can't understand much if anything that Ms kelsistylez has written here. To me it is much double talk. On the back channel communication for instance I can't figure out if it is a good thing or bad?

I am quite serious here if you can go paragraph by paragraph and distill each one down to its essence I would be much appreciative!!

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Ahh_right_there wrote:

Big bad wolf, you seem to have the gift of writing. I have enjoyed a many of your posts, yes even the BP one. I took it as satire when I first read it, found it to be very funny myself.

For the life of me I can't understand much if anything that Ms kelsistylez has written here. To me it is much double talk. On the back channel communication for instance I can't figure out if it is a good thing or bad?

I am quite serious here if you can go paragraph by paragraph and distill each one down to its essence I would be much appreciative!!

here you go

tldr;
im right, your wrong, you assholes all say to much about me in your reviews and it better fucking stop now before i write another text wall.

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moebius8 wrote:

here you go

tldr;
im right, your wrong, you assholes all say to much about me in your reviews and it better fucking stop now before i write another text wall.

Finally I have the fucking Readers Digest version.... thanks Mob your such a pal

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moebius8 wrote:

here you go

tldr;
im right, your wrong, you assholes all say to much about me in your reviews and it better fucking stop now before i write another text wall.

Oh my god that's fucking awesome! LMAO!!!

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moebius8 wrote:
Ahh_right_there wrote:

Big bad wolf, you seem to have the gift of writing. I have enjoyed a many of your posts, yes even the BP one. I took it as satire when I first read it, found it to be very funny myself.

For the life of me I can't understand much if anything that Ms kelsistylez has written here. To me it is much double talk. On the back channel communication for instance I can't figure out if it is a good thing or bad?

I am quite serious here if you can go paragraph by paragraph and distill each one down to its essence I would be much appreciative!!

here you go

tldr;
im right, your wrong, you assholes all say to much about me in your reviews and it better fucking stop now before i write another text wall.

Now that I understand.....thanks!!

I was pretty sure I was reading it correctly. With just my Masters in English literature I was confused. It seemed to be more on a Piled Higher and Deeper level.

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moebius8 wrote:

here you go

tldr;
im right, your wrong, you assholes all say to much about me in your reviews and it better fucking stop now before i write another text wall.

I actually read the wall, and I give up.
Its like a Sierra flashback...except with more words, fewer paragraphs and better spelling.

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Nicole Saunders wrote:
moebius8 wrote:

here you go

tldr;
im right, your wrong, you assholes all say to much about me in your reviews and it better fucking stop now before i write another text wall.

I actually read the wall, and I give up.
Its like a Sierra flashback...except with more words, fewer paragraphs and better spelling.

LOL....Sierra

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Nicole Saunders wrote:
moebius8 wrote:

here you go

tldr;
im right, your wrong, you assholes all say to much about me in your reviews and it better fucking stop now before i write another text wall.

I actually read the wall, and I give up.
Its like a Sierra flashback...except with more words, fewer paragraphs and better spelling.

I do honestly believe that she thinks explict reviews drive the police to make arrests which is a valid viewpoint, however wrong.

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Very well stated

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your argument is contradictory and a bit confusing on the one hand you want the traffic and cash
driven by reviews, then in another part of your post you laud the scores and state you strive for perfection.
the main thing i get from your posts are that you want editorial control or some vague sort of statement along the
lines "i showed up. it was her probably from the pictures. i had a nice time. i would probably repeat."

well the above is useless for anyone other than someone who wants a nice commendation for her ad. your reviews arent advertisements they are for the hobbyist not you.
I can't stress that enough "they may suit you" or they may not suit you, IT DOES NOT MATTER. Your feeling of ownership of your reviews is simply wrong, you dont own them.
Techncially and legally NR does, they could edit or amend as they see fit should they wish to.

in a perfect world the review is a helpful word from someone who spent a good bit of cash, to another who may spend a good bit of cash on what kind
of return he can expect for his investment.

You wish reviews had less detail, I wish they had more detail regarding what kind of pain in the ass bullshit i can expect on the way such as screening,
how much running around she had the poor bastard engage in before giving him the actual address etc. Neither of get what we want under the current system.
It's still the most objective way to decide on who to see if your not comfortable with making a blind choice.
Personally I care more about how many reviews and from whom they came from then actual content, again im in the minority most guys wnat to know a lot more before committing

Unless your willing to answer questions like "is there bbj", "do you like cowgirl?", "is daty on the menu?" and on and on then you better hope they are in the review.
I dont know about other hobbyists however if i have to guess then i just dont call and move on to someone that doesnt involve guessing on my part.

It's not enough that your the same person in the pictures, or that your clients had a nice time. I want to know is she the crazy sex goddess that is going to leave me drained and sore for a week?,
or does she have that earth mother vibe I happen to be in the mood for that afternoon. More practically 'will i get the nasty deepthroat blowjob my bitch of a wife wont give me?"
the only way short of being able to ask the guy who wrote the review in the first place is from the review itself.

/say dmin could we get an addition to the profile like "uses two call" "screening kind of a pain in the ass" "same day friendly" the current system is kind of lacking
and i tend to care more about that menu then her ability to give me an upside down blowjob.

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When a girl walks in, with an itty bitty waist and a big thing in ur face u get sprung!

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well if your looking for quotes "i like big butts" Sir Mixalot

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somebody, please, make an appt at her "in-call" location. show up...ask to use the bathroom..but make a MAD DASH for her office and steal her keyboard!

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somebody, please, make an appt at her "in-call" location. show up...ask to use the bathroom..but make a MAD DASH for her office and steal her keyboard!

be even better if they left a growler and didnt flush on the way out.

/hazmat suits would be rented, cleanup crews licensed for biological spills would be summoned
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moebius8 wrote:

here you go

tldr;
im right, your wrong, you assholes all say to much about me in your reviews and it better fucking stop now before i write another text wall.

LMFAO

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GentleJ313 wrote:

I don't know that I understand the need for specifics in reviews. Seems to me that the review should be short and sweet, let you know she is the person in the pics, she is worth what she charges, her place was safe, she smelled good, whatever.

If you want to know specifically what to expect on the date, how hard is it to PM the girl and ask her? If you don't like the answer, move on to the next girl.

I guess I am in the minority, but I agree with the OP.

PM's or any other type of communication about services or $$ is not wise. The reason for specifics is so I know what services to expect (or not). If she has a website or ad that goes into detail, then it's ok for reviews to just state "as adverised" or some generic confirmation. But if she wont post it, then we hobbyists have to rely on each other for info.

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