When I first started touring, I was not well known...I was barely known at all lol. But, I love to travel, and if I can have it my way, I will build up to do most of my business through tours. Especially since business in Miami with the locals is fickle, I get most of my local business from guys traveling here.

Anyway, theres something for everyone...some guys love touring girls, because its a chance to see someone new. Also, many guys do not mind pre-booking at all, its something to look forward to. Even at home I mostly prebook at least by one day...if I happen to be free and a regular asks me if Im available, I will see him same day, but I prefer knowing when I wake up, what my plan for the day is.

Coyote, you and I had the same convo! Something we talked about, which is so true when considering a city to tour in is the competition. Being a black female visiting Atlanta, where there are already so many, and familiar black females to choose from isnt good business sense...but visiting up north or the midwest, where being a caribbean lady is more exotic and harder to come across definitely works to my advantage. It did hurt my budget that so many showed interest and then cancelled or simply did not get back in touch with me while I was there, but then, that is exactly why I implemented pre-booked tours only. I dont do deposits, but if I dont have enough confirmed dates to pay for the tour and make a profit, I wont go. Guys can still cancel, its a risk I take, but Ive done pretty good so far as guys who confirm dates generally do show up..Ive had few cancellations in the other tours Ive been on. So far, Atl was the only loss I took...but I got to meet you, so it was still a trip worth its while =D

I also skip the touring ads, preferring to see local ladies. My logic, right or wrong, is that local ladies are more likely to have a reputation to uphold and are looking for repeat business. Because of that they are more likely to provide consistently good service. I suspect that many touring ladies (certainly not all) are after a quick buck and don't really care as much about service level.

I would love to hear differing opinions on this.

Definitely not...was that your experience with a touring lady, or just how you think it may be?

That would not make sense at all really...a touring lady has a lot more at stake, having a good reputation is even more important, because we are competing with ladies who are already established in an area. Also, touring is not a quick buck at all. A lot of planning and expense go into a tour, between travel, accomodation and food expenses, Ive dropped several hundred to nearly $1k before I even get on the flight to see my first date...to go through all of that just to arrive and give bad or lackluster service would be incredibly stupid/bad business sense, and a girl like that will go broke and wont be able to afford to tour anymore anyway.

i only see the locals myself for mostly the same reasons as rob.

I"m with Rob and moebius on this, the ladies that tour don't have much incentive to provide great service

We have to agree with Nicole on this, however, we can also see where some gents might come to the conclusions expressed (especially in the sub $250 range) and especially if the lady does not attempt to repeat some of her destinations.

Things happen to get a lot more shady toward the lower end of the budget.

Just our 4 cents.

I didnt consider the possibility of a lady visiting a city with no plan to return again...I guess yes, in that case if thats the method of operation, then I can see where the guys are coming from. But I can also imagine that a woman like that isnt putting all that much into the trip to begin with and spending as little as possible to make as much as possible, and like you mentioned Christine, her rates are on the low end of the scale as well.

Some of us want to build a good reputation, would like to revisit cities, and provide the best service possible no matter where we are. This is where doing your research on a lady helps make wise decisions about who to see, we're not all the same.

in your opinion however i have seen a lot more questionable activity at the top rather than in the 200 range.
most horror stories when the guys get together dont start with the places you would expect them to start with.

you have a vested interest and a stated goal of driving up prices so yeah good job with the FUD you two are masters.

also the local girls deserve the support they live here wherever here is.

Im not sure what FUD means, do tell!

I dont think this is a discussion about driving up rates or any kind of agenda. Regardless of what anyone chooses as her rate, there will always be a range for you to choose from, so I dont think its something to get angry about.

I can understand supporting local business and preferring to see a woman who lives in your city, but I dont understand why it has to mean putting down any lady who tours. Just because a lady travels, doesnt mean her level of service is questionable.

Of course, its totally your choice how you see certain people and how you feel about them. I just chimed into the convo to point out that not all ladies who tour are as being described and put down for here.

I wasnt talking to you Nicole just two people who every few months get on a "if you pay less then x dollars or use x site to find your dates your a cheap douchebag" kick.

FUD= Fear,Uncertainty and Doubt btw

If I may chime in again - (not sure why I asked since I obviously intend to do so). First, Nicole - yes, we discussed ATL at length - sorry again about going over the time, but you did ask me a question and you see how long my posts get. You should have realized how long a verbal reply would have been.

The gents are not wrong in their thinking and neither are the ladies that have posted thus far. I am not going to get into the debate of pricing as both Moebius and FC are clearly capable of expressing themselves. I will only add that I have seen questionable "just visiting" ads at both ends of the price spectrum.

IMO, there is a HUGE difference from touring ladies and ladies that are passing through. It does represent a catch-22 as the passing through ladies that get no response and see no reason to return. In my way of thinking, the touring ladies are on a traveling circuit. And I have a few that I truly enjoy seeing when they stop back through ATL. For me, they represent a different experience and I have NEVER had a bad session with a touring lady. (Case in point, Nicole.) In defense of Nicole and ATL - she has made a sad, but sound business decision. When she came to ATL, she had intentions on making it a regular stop, but obviously there was insufficient actual pony up to the bar activity by the gents to justify another excursionary visit (damn.)

All that said - for me, as a rule - I never see a lady on her first visit. But I never offer or imply I would either. The only exception was a lady with whom I had corresponded previously on this and another site.

What nobody has specifically stated is that there is a relatively high number of pimps, B&S posing as touring / visiting ladies. I base that, perhaps unfairly so, on any of the following criteria - no reviews (anywhere), multiple ad names, no website or vague / shoddy looking cookie cutter site, and/or no verifiable phone info. I have no interest in TOFTT with a visiting lady under those circumstances, nor would I do so with a local lady I never met. My point is that the onus of the touring lady is to have some established credibility before they just pack up and start going places. At least that is how I see it.

PS to Moebius - yeah, I know tldr.

For the record @Moebius...

We NEVER said "if you pay less then x dollars or use x site to find your dates your a cheap douchebag".

You might want to think before putting words into people's mouths.

It's very sad that you tend to lack basic english comprehension skills.

Our previous post was based on a gross over-generalization.

There is no evidence to suggest our opinion is right or wrong, it is simply an opinion formulated by our observations - (and not some agenda, as you claim).

We have no idea where you get your illusions that we have some sort of stated goal to influence rates - perhaps YOU are the one with the agenda.

Talk about FUD - you sir are the grand master.

Hey you two - is that any way for Super Duper Pooper Posters to talk to one another? Shoot - so much for being special around here.

Coyote, after all of our rather verbose messages, I knew good and well you werent going to give me a short and simple answer to my question Dont you dare apologize...you will always be my ATL ATF!! Hehehehehehehe!

Im also sad about the way things turned out, but if I ever decide to road trip it instead of flying...and I end up getting tired and turning in for the night in Atl, I will definitely let you know

Now Mobius, I know I dont know the details and history of everything to really speak with any authority here, but I do think there was a misunderstanding, or a read between the lines...I do have to say, Christine has been incredibly welcoming and supportive of escorts in all price ranges, who advertise in many different places, and shares a lot of tips and support. I cant imagine she would look down on the guys who see these ladies just because they are in a different price range or advertise in other places.

Oooh! Speaking of which! Christine, just yesterday on an entirely different and unrelated network, a lady who also escorts happened to mention a certain husband and wife team who she said were such great people that she would like to meet them one day. I knew exactly who she was talking about, and we couldnt help but think..ahh, what a small world! lol

those two and i have been going around for about three or four years now, we dont agree on much if anything.

if you look at their previous posting history across a variety of sites their agenda is fairly obvious it also has never changed.
If you want to read a real train wreck read Alecs intro post on that other board we all know about.
they are driven by the provider agenda and Im driven by the hobbyist side of the coin so we all have fairly antagonistic view points.
im on pretty solid ground, they just dislike it when they get called on their position as most guys look at Christine and melt so
they never hear a differing opinion.

Christine and I actually have very different business models!
But I know what you were trying to say
Unless Im wrong, I think you meant that you are not interested in our price range.

But, I dont like talking rates, and that didnt seem to be the point, its about touring ladies vs. local ones.

Yup, something I always try to bring up is for a guy to do his research on a lady and make an informed decision on who he is going to see. No matter a ladies rate, if she has a rep for being a good provider and you feel good about seeing her, and you have a great date...thats what counts!

no its not price its the unmitigated arrogance those two exhibit that has
always pissed me off.Personally i would rather hobby two or three times a week vs once
so i tend to stay around 200 to 250 when possible.
ill venture outside of that comfort zone on occasion however Phoenix and the down economy has put lot of great people in that range so i rarely feel any overwhelming desire to do so.

@Nicole Saunders (and Others) Many thanks for your supportive posts and PM's, we certainly appreciate you.

@moebius

"Dislike being called on our "position"?"

We have no "position" that we dislike being called out on. We do however, become annoyed with your repeated attempts to mis-represent us.

We enjoy helping ladies (at any price range) to operate their business safer and smarter - we force nothing down anyone's throat and ask for nothing in return.

We also enjoy helping gentlemen to enjoy this world in a safe manner which is why we advocate so heavily on a hobbyist doing his research.

But your right about one thing: it is true that we have made this "agenda" (if you can call it that) clear and consistent.

Apologies if you perceive our standing for something as arrogance that somehow threatens you.

What pisses us off is that you often mis-represent us as being opposed to hobbyists when you mention we are at "opposite sides of a coin".

You are gravely mistaken. We do not approach this hobby from an adversarial perspective. Instead we advocate on behalf of a trusting, mutually beneficial & satisfying symbiotic short-term relationship.

We adore and are extremely grateful for the bonds and special friends we have made in this lifestyle (hobbyist and provider alike). Without our many Gentleman, Couples (and lady) friends, we would not enjoy the immense success we have benefitted from that calls us to visit the many cities where our presence is requested.

To a rare few, our success is frustrating, they would rather make false accusations thet we are somehow behind some master idiotic conspiracy and claim we are arrogant than accept the fact that our confidence & success comes from doing many little things right.

We are fortunate to not have had to endure encounters with those who would prefer to turn this into a game of winners and losers. Because in that game, the only way one party will ever be happy is when the other party loses and we'd rather not play that game.

Just our 4 cents.

your arrogance doesnt threaten me its rather laughable, other than that tl;dr

THANK YOU!!!
This happened to me in KC and I was PANICKED as to how I was even going to make it home!
I went basing my trip on requests, and some booked but either canceled or no showed.
I will never do that again!
All of your advice is EXCELLENT!!

I'm pretty new, but it would seam dificult to count on when a touring provider may return (also difficult to determine if she plans on coming to a town on a regular basis). Without a solid schedule of returning, I would think there is at least somewhat of a lower incentive to provide above-and-beyond service. This along with my impulsive nature would push me away from pre-booking (unless there were a particular lady that I really wanted to see).

Not so difficult for some - some have calendars on their website and some you will see advertising on a cyclical basis. If you are interested in a touring lady, check out those two things first and then check for reviews. Some of them will even state in their ad they are visiting for the first time and you can tell from their reviews if they make a habit of returning to a city. Doesn't work in all cases, but in some cases it is sufficient to make the proverbial call.

And the whole point is moot for guys that are the see em once and move onto the next. Their only concern should be if she is legit, appeals to them and if her rates are in the right comfort zone.