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They have 2 girls in Indianapolis (Tasha and Teri) that I guess don't need or want any business, below a copy of email I sent them and their response edited for privacy
Flag this messageRe: IndianapolisWednesday, January 25, 2012 2:12 PM
From: "Michael Allen" Add sender to ContactsTo: "(edited for privacy)>
"Well (edited for privacy) or whomever. Don't jump through any hoops here pal. Jump your 47 year old professional white self back to Backpage. We're good, They're good, without you~
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:03 AM, (edited for privacy) wrote:
Hi, my name's (edited for privacy), wh professional male 47, You have 2 girls in Indianapolis that look amazing.
I was wanting to know (before I jump through your screening hoops) do these girls have reviews anywhere?"
Doesn't that response seem to be harsher than necessary, I could of taken something like "sorry we don't provide any info to people we haven't screened"
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You are right Tony.... That is the same reaction I got when asking the same question to the "MILFS" on BP.... it just seems very odd that the ladies with the hottest pics have no reviews and take such offense to being asked!
Tony - you are double posting (here and on Indianapolis board). As FYI, this is generally frowned upon. Is there a question for the Hobby Hangout crowd? - you have taken appropriate action by posting in the local forum.
I know I never get offended if a potential client ask me for reviews. I am glad they are doing their homework as well!! Usually the ones that do want to see reviews are the best!!! they read my website and reviews and most of their questions are answered and there is no odd or weird moment of questions that have already been answered per my site. It just makes me more comy and relaxed.
Tony - you are double posting (here and on Indianapolis board). As FYI, this is generally frowned upon. Is there a question for the Hobby Hangout crowd? - you have taken appropriate action by posting in the local forum.
Sorry, I didn't know that it was frowned upon, I put it on my local forum as a statement to let others know that these folks are rude. I put in hobby hangout as a question (hopefully to get people like you to weigh in). I'm questioning if this is standard practice for an agency to rudely blow people off that haven't been screened, I have to admit that their adds state "No questions will be answered until you have completed the screening on our website" However; I wanted to know if I was interested in seeing any of these girls before I went through the screening, I can find no info on them other than the NR profile.
So...... should I delete one of the "double post"?
i probably wouldnt have looked in indi posts.
but am glad for the subject being brought up.
but then again i'm really new so probably more curious about any topic.
Tony - you are double posting (here and on Indianapolis board). As FYI, this is generally frowned upon. Is there a question for the Hobby Hangout crowd? - you have taken appropriate action by posting in the local forum.
Sorry, I didn't know that it was frowned upon, I put it on my local forum as a statement to let others know that these folks are rude. I put in hobby hangout as a question (hopefully to get people like you to weigh in). I'm questioning if this is standard practice for an agency to rudely blow people off that haven't been screened, I have to admit that their adds state "No questions will be answered until you have completed the screening on our website" However; I wanted to know if I was interested in seeing any of these girls before I went through the screening, I can find no info on them other than the NR profile.
So...... should I delete one of the "double post"?
I guess I miscommunicated. You put the EXACT same post on both forums, that is double-posting. What was posted on the local forum was quite apt. Your clarification in the above post is a good topic with broader implication which makes it more apt for this forum.
To answer that question, IMHO, the agency was over the top out of line in their response to you. In the defense of an agency or lady, I am sure they get a lot of time wasters. While implied, you did not specically state you had an interest in meeting with one. Nonetheless, in my experience, it is NOT standard practice for either legit or illegit agencies to respond in such a fashion to an innocently, innocuous question. I only know of one over-zealous bottom feeder agency in my area that does this and she makes it quite clear up front that she will be rude if you contact her without ALL the information she states she will need. Another thing is that I never say jump through screening hoops either, preferring to say something along the lines of determining if there is a mutual interest before providing necessary screening information and scheduling.
So bottom line - I think you could have phrased your intro email a little differently, I do not think the cruz of what you asked was inappropriate whatsoever and I think the agency was both rude and stupid to respond in writing and ultimately, such agencies are best left unpatronized.
sounds dicey, also only two girls isnt an agency well one i would trust at any rate and neither is that outfit.
i smell c/d their whole website is offputing and the blurred faces with the stars all over pics is a new one.
heres a typical ad from the site
note that "greek" requires a 2 hour min.....
A familiar name & face back with us once again during the
holiday season for annual tours for the next few months
beginning November 30th .
Bubbly personality, team player, kinky, happy and glad
to meet all of the new Fantasys clients. This girl has been with
us since 2005 gents-an astonishing 6 years that continues every year
right where we left off the year before. A must see for serious hobbyists
who appreciate an extreme GFE experience from one of our trusted "keepers".
The Fantasys Network TIER 3 Rates:
They are local girls only with VERY limited travel areas
and only offer "incalls" with 1.5 hr minimums or when
on tour we will provide complimentary 1 hour incalls.
1 hour: $275.00
1.5 hours: $380.00
2 hours: $525.000
3 hours $700.00
(NOTE: "Greek" requires 2 hour minimum appointments)
Interesting. Looks like it might be a b&s operation. Too many girls in too many cities for them to manage it IMO. Maybe he brushed you off because he saw you are an active reviewer and he knew you'd truthfully review a poor service?
Interesting. Looks like it might be a b&s operation. Too many girls in too many cities for them to manage it IMO. Maybe he brushed you off because he saw you are an active reviewer and he knew you'd truthfully review a poor service?
Nice to see you posting again HW (vacation, work or burnout?) -
I think you are giving whoever replies in such a fashion way too much credit for intelligence. If that person actually thought it through about a guy with reviews, - I can't imagine a response in such a derogatory fashion. Especially to someone with a posting website presence. I suspect a) you are right in your first thought on b&s or b) was having a really, really, really bad day or c) thought he was a time waster. Personally, going with A.
I would never answer any email in such a rude way that is just bad for business. I always keep it professional . I am not a well reviewed provider just a few out there but i have no problems with any one asking me bout any reviews. It's just part of the business
Goddess Juanita
www.juanitawants2play.com
Interesting. Looks like it might be a b&s operation. Too many girls in too many cities for them to manage it IMO. Maybe he brushed you off because he saw you are an active reviewer and he knew you'd truthfully review a poor service?
Nice to see you posting again HW (vacation, work or burnout?) -
I think you are giving whoever replies in such a fashion way too much credit for intelligence. If that person actually thought it through about a guy with reviews, - I can't imagine a response in such a derogatory fashion. Especially to someone with a posting website presence. I suspect a) you are right in your first thought on b&s or b) was having a really, really, really bad day or c) thought he was a time waster. Personally, going with A.
Nice to be missed. Actually it was a bit of vacation followed by too much work trying to catch up but not burned out yet. If it was just a case of A why would he discourage someone from booking?
Interesting. Looks like it might be a b&s operation. Too many girls in too many cities for them to manage it IMO. Maybe he brushed you off because he saw you are an active reviewer and he knew you'd truthfully review a poor service?
Nice to see you posting again HW (vacation, work or burnout?) -
I think you are giving whoever replies in such a fashion way too much credit for intelligence. If that person actually thought it through about a guy with reviews, - I can't imagine a response in such a derogatory fashion. Especially to someone with a posting website presence. I suspect a) you are right in your first thought on b&s or b) was having a really, really, really bad day or c) thought he was a time waster. Personally, going with A.
Nice to be missed. Actually it was a bit of vacation followed by too much work trying to catch up but not burned out yet. If it was just a case of A why would he discourage someone from booking?
Better to bluster than be caught.
I think the OP is overthinking this. I assume the reply was based on the simple fact the OP felt the requested contact method did not apply to him. whether indy or agency, a lot of replies to that kind of assumption can get the cold shoulder. Some won't reply, others will send out a standardized copy/paste request to fill out the info for more info, and others will get pissy.
the surprise is being surprised by a negative response when choosing not to do as requested.
He was asking for a link to reviews which is a normal request, if the agency face doesnt wish to supply them then hes automatically suspect.
Fantasy's is very lock-step in how they do business. They do not deviate from procedures because they feel that keeps them from taking shortcuts that put them, their girls, and ultimately their customer in jeopardy. Is Mike (the guy who runs things) a bit brash? By all means. Mike has no problem being a "jerk" with folks that don't want to do it "his way." I have had several arguments over several years with him on TBD back when it was the IN/KY/OH/TN place to chitchat. I finally broke down about 3 years ago and went thru the pain and got screened. I've seen two of his girls. They ARE the girls in the pictures. I saw Teri about 2 months ago, before I joined NR. Definitely was some chemistry there, I'll tell you, but with all girls, YMMV.
Because I'm a wise, older fart and a "skeerdy cat"! And possibly a JERK. And Honest. And Direct. Reputable. And Consistent. Intuitive. And Discreet. And EXPERIENCED.No apologies. And none needed. Not if you passed screening-LIKE WE REQUIRE and are in our folds because I have a permanent ass kissing pucker for anyoneIN our folds. And I have zero problems with that, personally. Professionally? Obviously not. 89,000+ guys agree for 30 years.
I'm obviously not concerned with public popularity contests for ego-centric individuals that need to be publicly lauded. Outside validation only feeds an inferior ego and I'm obviously pretty secure and certainly don't lack imagination with regards to my professional AND personal history that seems to be plastered all over the friggin Internet. Although it is clear above that SOME DO if that's the best reasoning you ding-a-lings can come up with.
Everyone HERE (our clients ARE worthy!) gets their asses kissed. YOU just have to be smart enough to follow the d-i-r-e-c-t-i-o-n-s. Or not be LAZY! It's explained in simple, concise, step by step detail (and in English amigo). Once "in" I am very accessible (as it explains on the page about "HOW THIS WORKS"), thoughtful, jovial, outgoing, blah blah blah, whatever the hell that YOU NEED to "feel good" about yourself. I'll "mirror" you when you call.
YOU just have to be worthy. Simple. Anyone that must resort to being a little sharmoota certainly isn't Worthy of My time or OUR PEOPLE. i.e. publishing private correspondence publicly for outside validation because they didn't get their way....(read that too damned lazy to follow the f--king directions because it answers EVERY QUESTION that I've EVER received here). YOU are not costing me business. You are the MINORITY and It's impossible to NOT FIND MY SERVICES on the Internet! I really wouldn't be pissing too hard in my cornflakes just because you didn't get your way. I may get so offended that I feel threatened and that could be bad for YOU considering 30 years of resources at my disposal. The "anonymity of the Internet username" is an illusion. All anyone has to do is throw some money around to track someone down. MOST Providers [i]that can be traced to you (usernames/reviews, etc) on the Internet will sell their soul for free money. Or free appointments. It just depends on how determined someone is to take something personal and make it their mission to make an example of you "Futatrix". I'm no exception of course, but I'm really easy to find too. And certainly not a sissy considering my boxing career. That ex-con thing probably shouldn't be counted since it was so long ago.[/i] Grown men acting like petulant children pouting because they got stung when THEY failed to follow the SIMPLE directions that EVERY ad has-(IN CAPS for christs sake). You will not be rewarded for being an imbecile....haha! I love that.
******** Oh, Humble (but not modest) enough to CONSTANTLY be aware
that 20 "unrelated" e-mails in a couple of years from many different directories aren't necessarily "unrelated" ...dig? THINK BEYOND THE NEXT 7 DAYS OR THE HALF/HOUR APPOINTMENT THAT YOU HAD IN MIND. Over time there is an "M.O.", a rather accurate profile on how and what is needed for an indictment....30 YEARS later and I cannot count how many locals, visitors, indies, agencies, parlors, amps, greedy idiots, drunks, addicts and other short sighted low character people who hire any of the above- have ALL GONE TO JAIL! And Never learn a thing from their peers! THOUSANDS to RECENT memory. YOU KNOW ITS TRUE! Am I smarter than everyone else doing this? Isn't "SMART" the Options we give ourselves, Actions we Take, Quality Of Decisions?....If inflexibly DISCREET is smart, then hell yes I am. If being CONTENT to do business with other Business Men that simply recognize their counterparts to conduct PRIVATE business withthen I Am Your Guy. My word is obviously good with 3,000 PAGES of consistent reviews spanning MY career. Plus our private socials are pretty damn memorable since "I" pay for OTHER PEOPLE to come in and entertain ALL of us. I figure that MY GUYS have earned it and so have my people.
We aren't for everyone. ZERO apologies. I am simply satisfied to do business with gentlemen who place an inordinately high value on consistency, THEIR SAFETY, do their research, follow the directions and apply. I respect that intelligent guy. I really, really like that kind of fellow. I trust HIM. I really, really like kissing their asses. And I really, really have no problem telling anyone else to kiss mine if they simply refuse to READ the goddamned directions. I'm not an affable fellow when I'm not in character.Sue me. Or "esame el culo" for a change.
If I TRIED to be everything for everyone (accept any dumb-dumb that can dial a phone or type an e-mail-but too lazy to read the directions then it stands to reason....)then I would be forced torepeat the same STUPID "tezak" sacrifices ALL of the rest of them do that would endanger: Myself,(and MY FAMILY) my Clientele (and THEIR Families) and the Women (and THEIR Dependents)that choose to TRUST MY JUDGMENT(experience & history), as well as Quality of women and appointments here. And piece of mind. Which I will not do. And I have ZERO problems confronting those that disagree, publicly or privately in a stupid manner. How far do you want to take it? I know how far I'M willing to. For the right principle/offense I'm willing to go "all in".
*** 99 percent of the PROBLEM is with those guys that really, really should simply accept that we MEAN what we say, its not our fault that YOU won't and continue on to someone else more "accessible" in their social class like new agencies or independents. They just will not take RESPONSIBILITY for themselves (like the first sissy up there) when they FAIL TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS. And they get stung because YOU IGNORED THE DIRECTIONS ON THE ADS. I do not respect that and I simply do not WANT you as a client. Not even a "potential" one. You aren't "good enough" for me to kiss your ass. No one over here is that special anyway, not really. Just nice, SOBER< intelligent, (and REALLY clean) college girls that are TOO EMPOWERED to work with anyone else less rigorous than I am about safety and character. We simply have a healthy esteem of ourselves and enough character to refuse to sell out for the "easy" money AND by being too accessible. That DOES appear to be everyone elses downfall....irrefutably. I am too cautious to attempt to do business with anyone dumb enough who is NOT concerned about how accessible a provider is. On THIS side of the business WE know things that you do not and we cannot allow these concerns OR the reparations to be made public. It would further endanger YOU GUYS in the hobby. I've spent 19 years doing my best to change them so it IS safer FOR YOU, its just inconvenient. Like airport security.
30 years gents, come on. Do I sound unintelligent here? You know that I don't. I make pretty goddamn reasonable points of FACTS-and I haven't said ANYTHING that isn't advised on my 136 (163?) websites (or ads for us). We do not have the time, for example, like single "career" independents, desperate agencies or "local services" to hand hold if you're too lazy to follow the directions or too skeptical to believe everyone else's guarantees in those reviews. Those reviews are really about ME anyway because its MY SERVICE, MY VALUES AND MY REQUIREMENTS for them to be here in the first place. I have VERY high standards about those matters. Asshole that I am or not, YOUR SAFETY IS MY CONCERN AS WELL. Otherwise a simple "vouching" would be sufficient. But vouching isn't screening, it doesn't make you personally accountable in any way and I am completely inflexible about that.
I have a VERY LIMITED amount of time to produce for these STUDENTS that I work with (I very nearly only hire medical students)and if you could/would be REALLY honest with yourselves-you would discover that in the end-you most likely wouldn't use us anyway so you'd be wasting my time-which is very valuable to me. We're just too darn conservative and I am too darn intimidating (confrontational) for the AVERAGE hobbyist that thrives on those half hour appointment specialists that are not going to be employed here anyway. Not my kind of girl. I don't respect them and I do not find anything about those personality types appealing enough to consider hiring. Mere looks are not enough to be employed at Fantasys.They do not place enough value upon THEMSELVES for me to bother with.I employ people with character, a FUTURE, a plan and show up TO LIFE ready to learn. Empowered without help. Neurotic, insecure pillheads are not welcome here. I hate a f--king narcissist!
You just like the IDEA of the POSSIBILITY of it being an option to see someone here. I don't play well with fence straddlers boys n girls....if you were a decisive personality type the dumb ass e-mails that all of you are bitching about would never have been sent in the first goddamn placeBECAUSEyou simply would've read the ads, seen the requirements where it PLEADS with you unimaginative idiots TO NOT EMAIL OR CALL, went to our website and applied for screening in the first place. I have a genius IQ (published on f-ceb--k if you're skeptical)and 30 years in this business so lets not prove how DUMB YOU ARE by basing your argument on how impolite I am when you refuse to follow the directions. I'll just retaliate more and hurt your feelings worse. IT DOES SAY (tonyas1970) THAT WE DO NOT GIVE OUT ANYTHING TO ANYONE THAT IS UNSCREENED...DUMBASS! What a moron! DO you have ANY clue just how stupid that was? It says it all over 100 ads! Dummy! I CAN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOU DUMMIES THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE KINGS LANGUAGE!Jeezus already, act like MEN! I must CONSISTENTLY provide for 150 people a month-day in and day out. SAFELY. I cannot do that relying on YOU idiots to learn English. I know its English on those ads....I wrote them. And I speak 4 LANGUAGES! It's just so SMALL of YOU!
The average stay here with our "keepers" is 8.5 YEARS. 4.5 on the first jaunt then another 3 and a half when they come back after the career doesn't pan out or the marriage fails or the new career isn't paying the tuition loans AND the usual bills...democrats usually. My clients remain virtually FOREVER! I won't even bother saying look up the usernames in the reviews and communities to this group of naysayers. Why? It would be redundant. Because what you're really bitching about is that you're lazy and that I will not be the accessible sell out piece of shit that MOST OFTEN makes up the greatest MAJORITY of this industry. You call it courtesy and I call it like it is, the truth. You've already offended US by ignoring our requirements so I DEFINITELY do not want to hear from you at that point. You'reaccustomed to desperate providers that live hand to mouth. WE call them pill heads because MOST of them can't make it an hour without smoking a joint or popping a pill. They ALL have some kind of ridiculous "script" for an even more ridiculous malady. Err, anxiety. The truth is a FACT, IT STATES IN PLAIN ENGLISH EVERY SINGLE THING THAT YOU'VE ALL ASKED IS ON THE WEBSITE AND THE ADS P-L-E-A-D WITH YOU to simply go to the website, go to the website, go to the website, go to the website. Availability? Go To The Website? Travel? Go To The Website. Price? Go To The Website. Again, irrefutable fact list so it doesn't bespeak well of the guilty ones. It just sucks (for you!) when you have to take responsibility for yourself for it to stop stinging.
I'm REALLY impressed with Hammer. Not because he spoke up, he simply told the truth. I APPRECIATE that. I RESPECT that. I'm impressed because I never would've bet in a million years that he would've stepped up and applied for screening after some of the things that transpired between us publicly over the years. I've always wanted to ask you why too. I hope that its because you are smart enough to discern Mike the man from Fantasys the brand. Meaning no one has ever been able to say that I have abused my position in any way that did not attack me in some way. In spite of my outspoken values and confrontational methodologies...haha..I really, really appreciate that Mike. That's why I kiss your ass, YOU earned it a lot more that the average. Makes you Above Average.....and the rest a bit below, huh.
ThatF---kingJerk@Fantasys~
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Oh, was that harsh
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Because I'm a wise, older fart and a "skeerdy cat"! And possibly a JERK. And Honest. And Direct. Reputable. And Consistent. Intuitive. And Discreet. And EXPERIENCED.No apologies. And none needed. Not if you passed screening-LIKE WE REQUIRE and are in our folds because I have a permanent ass kissing pucker for anyoneIN our folds. And I have zero problems with that, personally. Professionally? Obviously not. 89,000+ guys agree for 30 years.
I'm obviously not concerned with public popularity contests for ego-centric individuals that need to be publicly lauded. Outside validation only feeds an inferior ego and I'm obviously pretty secure and certainly don't lack imagination with regards to my professional AND personal history that seems to be plastered all over the friggin Internet. Although it is clear above that SOME DO if that's the best reasoning you ding-a-lings can come up with.
Everyone HERE (our clients ARE worthy!) gets their asses kissed. YOU just have to be smart enough to follow the d-i-r-e-c-t-i-o-n-s. Or not be LAZY! It's explained in simple, concise, step by step detail (and in English amigo). Once "in" I am very accessible (as it explains on the page about "HOW THIS WORKS"), thoughtful, jovial, outgoing, blah blah blah, whatever the hell that YOU NEED to "feel good" about yourself. I'll "mirror" you when you call.
YOU just have to be worthy. Simple. Anyone that must resort to being a little sharmoota certainly isn't Worthy of My time or OUR PEOPLE. i.e. publishing private correspondence publicly for outside validation because they didn't get their way....(read that too damned lazy to follow the f--king directions because it answers EVERY QUESTION that I've EVER received here). YOU are not costing me business. You are the MINORITY and It's impossible to NOT FIND MY SERVICES on the Internet! I really wouldn't be pissing too hard in my cornflakes just because you didn't get your way. I may get so offended that I feel threatened and that could be bad for YOU considering 30 years of resources at my disposal. The "anonymity of the Internet username" is an illusion. All anyone has to do is throw some money around to track someone down. MOST Providers [i]that can be traced to you (usernames/reviews, etc) on the Internet will sell their soul for free money. Or free appointments. It just depends on how determined someone is to take something personal and make it their mission to make an example of you "Futatrix". I'm no exception of course, but I'm really easy to find too. And certainly not a sissy considering my boxing career. That ex-con thing probably shouldn't be counted since it was so long ago.[/i] Grown men acting like petulant children pouting because they got stung when THEY failed to follow the SIMPLE directions that EVERY ad has-(IN CAPS for christs sake). You will not be rewarded for being an imbecile....haha! I love that.
******** Oh, Humble (but not modest) enough to CONSTANTLY be aware
that 20 "unrelated" e-mails in a couple of years from many different directories aren't necessarily "unrelated" ...dig? THINK BEYOND THE NEXT 7 DAYS OR THE HALF/HOUR APPOINTMENT THAT YOU HAD IN MIND. Over time there is an "M.O.", a rather accurate profile on how and what is needed for an indictment....30 YEARS later and I cannot count how many locals, visitors, indies, agencies, parlors, amps, greedy idiots, drunks, addicts and other short sighted low character people who hire any of the above- have ALL GONE TO JAIL! And Never learn a thing from their peers! THOUSANDS to RECENT memory. YOU KNOW ITS TRUE! Am I smarter than everyone else doing this? Isn't "SMART" the Options we give ourselves, Actions we Take, Quality Of Decisions?....If inflexibly DISCREET is smart, then hell yes I am. If being CONTENT to do business with other Business Men that simply recognize their counterparts to conduct PRIVATE business withthen I Am Your Guy. My word is obviously good with 3,000 PAGES of consistent reviews spanning MY career. Plus our private socials are pretty damn memorable since "I" pay for OTHER PEOPLE to come in and entertain ALL of us. I figure that MY GUYS have earned it and so have my people.
We aren't for everyone. ZERO apologies. I am simply satisfied to do business with gentlemen who place an inordinately high value on consistency, THEIR SAFETY, do their research, follow the directions and apply. I respect that intelligent guy. I really, really like that kind of fellow. I trust HIM. I really, really like kissing their asses. And I really, really have no problem telling anyone else to kiss mine if they simply refuse to READ the goddamned directions. I'm not an affable fellow when I'm not in character.Sue me. Or "esame el culo" for a change.
If I TRIED to be everything for everyone (accept any dumb-dumb that can dial a phone or type an e-mail-but too lazy to read the directions then it stands to reason....)then I would be forced torepeat the same STUPID "tezak" sacrifices ALL of the rest of them do that would endanger: Myself,(and MY FAMILY) my Clientele (and THEIR Families) and the Women (and THEIR Dependents)that choose to TRUST MY JUDGMENT(experience & history), as well as Quality of women and appointments here. And piece of mind. Which I will not do. And I have ZERO problems confronting those that disagree, publicly or privately in a stupid manner. How far do you want to take it? I know how far I'M willing to. For the right principle/offense I'm willing to go "all in".
*** 99 percent of the PROBLEM is with those guys that really, really should simply accept that we MEAN what we say, its not our fault that YOU won't and continue on to someone else more "accessible" in their social class like new agencies or independents. They just will not take RESPONSIBILITY for themselves (like the first sissy up there) when they FAIL TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS. And they get stung because YOU IGNORED THE DIRECTIONS ON THE ADS. I do not respect that and I simply do not WANT you as a client. Not even a "potential" one. You aren't "good enough" for me to kiss your ass. No one over here is that special anyway, not really. Just nice, SOBER< intelligent, (and REALLY clean) college girls that are TOO EMPOWERED to work with anyone else less rigorous than I am about safety and character. We simply have a healthy esteem of ourselves and enough character to refuse to sell out for the "easy" money AND by being too accessible. That DOES appear to be everyone elses downfall....irrefutably. I am too cautious to attempt to do business with anyone dumb enough who is NOT concerned about how accessible a provider is. On THIS side of the business WE know things that you do not and we cannot allow these concerns OR the reparations to be made public. It would further endanger YOU GUYS in the hobby. I've spent 19 years doing my best to change them so it IS safer FOR YOU, its just inconvenient. Like airport security.
30 years gents, come on. Do I sound unintelligent here? You know that I don't. I make pretty goddamn reasonable points of FACTS-and I haven't said ANYTHING that isn't advised on my 136 (163?) websites (or ads for us). We do not have the time, for example, like single "career" independents, desperate agencies or "local services" to hand hold if you're too lazy to follow the directions or too skeptical to believe everyone else's guarantees in those reviews. Those reviews are really about ME anyway because its MY SERVICE, MY VALUES AND MY REQUIREMENTS for them to be here in the first place. I have VERY high standards about those matters. Asshole that I am or not, YOUR SAFETY IS MY CONCERN AS WELL. Otherwise a simple "vouching" would be sufficient. But vouching isn't screening, it doesn't make you personally accountable in any way and I am completely inflexible about that.
I have a VERY LIMITED amount of time to produce for these STUDENTS that I work with (I very nearly only hire medical students)and if you could/would be REALLY honest with yourselves-you would discover that in the end-you most likely wouldn't use us anyway so you'd be wasting my time-which is very valuable to me. We're just too darn conservative and I am too darn intimidating (confrontational) for the AVERAGE hobbyist that thrives on those half hour appointment specialists that are not going to be employed here anyway. Not my kind of girl. I don't respect them and I do not find anything about those personality types appealing enough to consider hiring. Mere looks are not enough to be employed at Fantasys.They do not place enough value upon THEMSELVES for me to bother with.I employ people with character, a FUTURE, a plan and show up TO LIFE ready to learn. Empowered without help. Neurotic, insecure pillheads are not welcome here. I hate a f--king narcissist!
You just like the IDEA of the POSSIBILITY of it being an option to see someone here. I don't play well with fence straddlers boys n girls....if you were a decisive personality type the dumb ass e-mails that all of you are bitching about would never have been sent in the first goddamn placeBECAUSEyou simply would've read the ads, seen the requirements where it PLEADS with you unimaginative idiots TO NOT EMAIL OR CALL, went to our website and applied for screening in the first place. I have a genius IQ (published on f-ceb--k if you're skeptical)and 30 years in this business so lets not prove how DUMB YOU ARE by basing your argument on how impolite I am when you refuse to follow the directions. I'll just retaliate more and hurt your feelings worse. IT DOES SAY (tonyas1970) THAT WE DO NOT GIVE OUT ANYTHING TO ANYONE THAT IS UNSCREENED...DUMBASS! What a moron! DO you have ANY clue just how stupid that was? It says it all over 100 ads! Dummy! I CAN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOU DUMMIES THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE KINGS LANGUAGE!Jeezus already, act like MEN! I must CONSISTENTLY provide for 150 people a month-day in and day out. SAFELY. I cannot do that relying on YOU idiots to learn English. I know its English on those ads....I wrote them. And I speak 4 LANGUAGES! It's just so SMALL of YOU!
The average stay here with our "keepers" is 8.5 YEARS. 4.5 on the first jaunt then another 3 and a half when they come back after the career doesn't pan out or the marriage fails or the new career isn't paying the tuition loans AND the usual bills...democrats usually. My clients remain virtually FOREVER! I won't even bother saying look up the usernames in the reviews and communities to this group of naysayers. Why? It would be redundant. Because what you're really bitching about is that you're lazy and that I will not be the accessible sell out piece of shit that MOST OFTEN makes up the greatest MAJORITY of this industry. You call it courtesy and I call it like it is, the truth. You've already offended US by ignoring our requirements so I DEFINITELY do not want to hear from you at that point. You'reaccustomed to desperate providers that live hand to mouth. WE call them pill heads because MOST of them can't make it an hour without smoking a joint or popping a pill. They ALL have some kind of ridiculous "script" for an even more ridiculous malady. Err, anxiety. The truth is a FACT, IT STATES IN PLAIN ENGLISH EVERY SINGLE THING THAT YOU'VE ALL ASKED IS ON THE WEBSITE AND THE ADS P-L-E-A-D WITH YOU to simply go to the website, go to the website, go to the website, go to the website. Availability? Go To The Website? Travel? Go To The Website. Price? Go To The Website. Again, irrefutable fact list so it doesn't bespeak well of the guilty ones. It just sucks (for you!) when you have to take responsibility for yourself for it to stop stinging.
I'm REALLY impressed with Hammer. Not because he spoke up, he simply told the truth. I APPRECIATE that. I RESPECT that. I'm impressed because I never would've bet in a million years that he would've stepped up and applied for screening after some of the things that transpired between us publicly over the years. I've always wanted to ask you why too. I hope that its because you are smart enough to discern Mike the man from Fantasys the brand. Meaning no one has ever been able to say that I have abused my position in any way that did not attack me in some way. In spite of my outspoken values and confrontational methodologies...haha..I really, really appreciate that Mike. That's why I kiss your ass, YOU earned it a lot more that the average. Makes you Above Average.....and the rest a bit below, huh.
ThatF---kingJerk@Fantasys~
whoah !!!! Wow ! I don't even know where to start , except I think the OP was honestly asking if he approached in an inappropriate way to receive such a karate chop type of reaction. I would have originally told him that his "intent" of questioning was appropriate but usually a little more of a gentle round about way and introduction makes for more comfort and easier answers to any inquiries. But from the first few sentences in this responder's post I was so thrown back at the aggression I'm not sure his worst bet was being rejected. I may be wrong here... but good lord. Honestly ? Did I miss something ?
@Lexi I assume u have a set of rules? I also will assume you do not deviate from them. Apparently Fantasys will not either. Sometimes going over the top is the only way to drive a point home. I will have to admit he has made the case to me that should one decide to work with them....you are probably as safe there as can be possible.
Because I'm a wise, older fart and a "skeerdy cat"! And possibly a JERK. And Honest. And Direct. Reputable. And Consistent. Intuitive. And Discreet. And EXPERIENCED.No apologies. And none needed. Not if you passed screening-LIKE WE REQUIRE and are in our folds because I have a permanent ass kissing pucker for anyoneIN our folds. And I have zero problems with that, personally. Professionally? Obviously not. 89,000+ guys agree for 30 years.
I'm obviously not concerned with public popularity contests for ego-centric individuals that need to be publicly lauded. Outside validation only feeds an inferior ego and I'm obviously pretty secure and certainly don't lack imagination with regards to my professional AND personal history that seems to be plastered all over the friggin Internet. Although it is clear above that SOME DO if that's the best reasoning you ding-a-lings can come up with.
Wow! What an arrogant, self-aggrandizing prick you are.
And one more thing.. how did the Arabic name slinging of Sharmoota pull in to this post ? I'm just curious ? I'll be honest after the beginning I just briefly scrolled to the bottom and that stuck out to me very boldly .And honestly it doesn't sit well with me either. How did this thread and the reply to the op's post get so aggressive or angry ? Is there something we are missing or don't know ? Honestly I'm not prejudging anyone, I'm just thrown a bit back . Thanks !
I am sure just trying to show his clients and providers he is in charge. If you are going to have high profile clients...they don't want the guy at the top wavering.
Because I'm a wise, older fart and a "skeerdy cat"! And possibly a JERK. And Honest. And Direct. Reputable. And Consistent. Intuitive. And Discreet. And EXPERIENCED.No apologies. And none needed. Not if you passed screening-LIKE WE REQUIRE and are in our folds because I have a permanent ass kissing pucker for anyoneIN our folds. And I have zero problems with that, personally. Professionally? Obviously not. 89,000+ guys agree for 30 years.
I'm obviously not concerned with public popularity contests for ego-centric individuals that need to be publicly lauded. Outside validation only feeds an inferior ego and I'm obviously pretty secure and certainly don't lack imagination with regards to my professional AND personal history that seems to be plastered all over the friggin Internet. Although it is clear above that SOME DO if that's the best reasoning you ding-a-lings can come up with.
Everyone HERE (our clients ARE worthy!) gets their asses kissed. YOU just have to be smart enough to follow the d-i-r-e-c-t-i-o-n-s. Or not be LAZY! It's explained in simple, concise, step by step detail (and in English amigo). Once "in" I am very accessible (as it explains on the page about "HOW THIS WORKS"), thoughtful, jovial, outgoing, blah blah blah, whatever the hell that YOU NEED to "feel good" about yourself. I'll "mirror" you when you call.
YOU just have to be worthy. Simple. Anyone that must resort to being a little sharmoota certainly isn't Worthy of My time or OUR PEOPLE. i.e. publishing private correspondence publicly for outside validation because they didn't get their way....(read that too damned lazy to follow the f--king directions because it answers EVERY QUESTION that I've EVER received here). YOU are not costing me business. You are the MINORITY and It's impossible to NOT FIND MY SERVICES on the Internet! I really wouldn't be pissing too hard in my cornflakes just because you didn't get your way. I may get so offended that I feel threatened and that could be bad for YOU considering 30 years of resources at my disposal. The "anonymity of the Internet username" is an illusion. All anyone has to do is throw some money around to track someone down. MOST Providers [i]that can be traced to you (usernames/reviews, etc) on the Internet will sell their soul for free money. Or free appointments. It just depends on how determined someone is to take something personal and make it their mission to make an example of you "Futatrix". I'm no exception of course, but I'm really easy to find too. And certainly not a sissy considering my boxing career. That ex-con thing probably shouldn't be counted since it was so long ago.[/i] Grown men acting like petulant children pouting because they got stung when THEY failed to follow the SIMPLE directions that EVERY ad has-(IN CAPS for christs sake). You will not be rewarded for being an imbecile....haha! I love that.
******** Oh, Humble (but not modest) enough to CONSTANTLY be aware
that 20 "unrelated" e-mails in a couple of years from many different directories aren't necessarily "unrelated" ...dig? THINK BEYOND THE NEXT 7 DAYS OR THE HALF/HOUR APPOINTMENT THAT YOU HAD IN MIND. Over time there is an "M.O.", a rather accurate profile on how and what is needed for an indictment....30 YEARS later and I cannot count how many locals, visitors, indies, agencies, parlors, amps, greedy idiots, drunks, addicts and other short sighted low character people who hire any of the above- have ALL GONE TO JAIL! And Never learn a thing from their peers! THOUSANDS to RECENT memory. YOU KNOW ITS TRUE! Am I smarter than everyone else doing this? Isn't "SMART" the Options we give ourselves, Actions we Take, Quality Of Decisions?....If inflexibly DISCREET is smart, then hell yes I am. If being CONTENT to do business with other Business Men that simply recognize their counterparts to conduct PRIVATE business withthen I Am Your Guy. My word is obviously good with 3,000 PAGES of consistent reviews spanning MY career. Plus our private socials are pretty damn memorable since "I" pay for OTHER PEOPLE to come in and entertain ALL of us. I figure that MY GUYS have earned it and so have my people.
We aren't for everyone. ZERO apologies. I am simply satisfied to do business with gentlemen who place an inordinately high value on consistency, THEIR SAFETY, do their research, follow the directions and apply. I respect that intelligent guy. I really, really like that kind of fellow. I trust HIM. I really, really like kissing their asses. And I really, really have no problem telling anyone else to kiss mine if they simply refuse to READ the goddamned directions. I'm not an affable fellow when I'm not in character.Sue me. Or "esame el culo" for a change.
If I TRIED to be everything for everyone (accept any dumb-dumb that can dial a phone or type an e-mail-but too lazy to read the directions then it stands to reason....)then I would be forced torepeat the same STUPID "tezak" sacrifices ALL of the rest of them do that would endanger: Myself,(and MY FAMILY) my Clientele (and THEIR Families) and the Women (and THEIR Dependents)that choose to TRUST MY JUDGMENT(experience & history), as well as Quality of women and appointments here. And piece of mind. Which I will not do. And I have ZERO problems confronting those that disagree, publicly or privately in a stupid manner. How far do you want to take it? I know how far I'M willing to. For the right principle/offense I'm willing to go "all in".
*** 99 percent of the PROBLEM is with those guys that really, really should simply accept that we MEAN what we say, its not our fault that YOU won't and continue on to someone else more "accessible" in their social class like new agencies or independents. They just will not take RESPONSIBILITY for themselves (like the first sissy up there) when they FAIL TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS. And they get stung because YOU IGNORED THE DIRECTIONS ON THE ADS. I do not respect that and I simply do not WANT you as a client. Not even a "potential" one. You aren't "good enough" for me to kiss your ass. No one over here is that special anyway, not really. Just nice, SOBER< intelligent, (and REALLY clean) college girls that are TOO EMPOWERED to work with anyone else less rigorous than I am about safety and character. We simply have a healthy esteem of ourselves and enough character to refuse to sell out for the "easy" money AND by being too accessible. That DOES appear to be everyone elses downfall....irrefutably. I am too cautious to attempt to do business with anyone dumb enough who is NOT concerned about how accessible a provider is. On THIS side of the business WE know things that you do not and we cannot allow these concerns OR the reparations to be made public. It would further endanger YOU GUYS in the hobby. I've spent 19 years doing my best to change them so it IS safer FOR YOU, its just inconvenient. Like airport security.
30 years gents, come on. Do I sound unintelligent here? You know that I don't. I make pretty goddamn reasonable points of FACTS-and I haven't said ANYTHING that isn't advised on my 136 (163?) websites (or ads for us). We do not have the time, for example, like single "career" independents, desperate agencies or "local services" to hand hold if you're too lazy to follow the directions or too skeptical to believe everyone else's guarantees in those reviews. Those reviews are really about ME anyway because its MY SERVICE, MY VALUES AND MY REQUIREMENTS for them to be here in the first place. I have VERY high standards about those matters. Asshole that I am or not, YOUR SAFETY IS MY CONCERN AS WELL. Otherwise a simple "vouching" would be sufficient. But vouching isn't screening, it doesn't make you personally accountable in any way and I am completely inflexible about that.
I have a VERY LIMITED amount of time to produce for these STUDENTS that I work with (I very nearly only hire medical students)and if you could/would be REALLY honest with yourselves-you would discover that in the end-you most likely wouldn't use us anyway so you'd be wasting my time-which is very valuable to me. We're just too darn conservative and I am too darn intimidating (confrontational) for the AVERAGE hobbyist that thrives on those half hour appointment specialists that are not going to be employed here anyway. Not my kind of girl. I don't respect them and I do not find anything about those personality types appealing enough to consider hiring. Mere looks are not enough to be employed at Fantasys.They do not place enough value upon THEMSELVES for me to bother with.I employ people with character, a FUTURE, a plan and show up TO LIFE ready to learn. Empowered without help. Neurotic, insecure pillheads are not welcome here. I hate a f--king narcissist!
You just like the IDEA of the POSSIBILITY of it being an option to see someone here. I don't play well with fence straddlers boys n girls....if you were a decisive personality type the dumb ass e-mails that all of you are bitching about would never have been sent in the first goddamn placeBECAUSEyou simply would've read the ads, seen the requirements where it PLEADS with you unimaginative idiots TO NOT EMAIL OR CALL, went to our website and applied for screening in the first place. I have a genius IQ (published on f-ceb--k if you're skeptical)and 30 years in this business so lets not prove how DUMB YOU ARE by basing your argument on how impolite I am when you refuse to follow the directions. I'll just retaliate more and hurt your feelings worse. IT DOES SAY (tonyas1970) THAT WE DO NOT GIVE OUT ANYTHING TO ANYONE THAT IS UNSCREENED...DUMBASS! What a moron! DO you have ANY clue just how stupid that was? It says it all over 100 ads! Dummy! I CAN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOU DUMMIES THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE KINGS LANGUAGE!Jeezus already, act like MEN! I must CONSISTENTLY provide for 150 people a month-day in and day out. SAFELY. I cannot do that relying on YOU idiots to learn English. I know its English on those ads....I wrote them. And I speak 4 LANGUAGES! It's just so SMALL of YOU!
The average stay here with our "keepers" is 8.5 YEARS. 4.5 on the first jaunt then another 3 and a half when they come back after the career doesn't pan out or the marriage fails or the new career isn't paying the tuition loans AND the usual bills...democrats usually. My clients remain virtually FOREVER! I won't even bother saying look up the usernames in the reviews and communities to this group of naysayers. Why? It would be redundant. Because what you're really bitching about is that you're lazy and that I will not be the accessible sell out piece of shit that MOST OFTEN makes up the greatest MAJORITY of this industry. You call it courtesy and I call it like it is, the truth. You've already offended US by ignoring our requirements so I DEFINITELY do not want to hear from you at that point. You'reaccustomed to desperate providers that live hand to mouth. WE call them pill heads because MOST of them can't make it an hour without smoking a joint or popping a pill. They ALL have some kind of ridiculous "script" for an even more ridiculous malady. Err, anxiety. The truth is a FACT, IT STATES IN PLAIN ENGLISH EVERY SINGLE THING THAT YOU'VE ALL ASKED IS ON THE WEBSITE AND THE ADS P-L-E-A-D WITH YOU to simply go to the website, go to the website, go to the website, go to the website. Availability? Go To The Website? Travel? Go To The Website. Price? Go To The Website. Again, irrefutable fact list so it doesn't bespeak well of the guilty ones. It just sucks (for you!) when you have to take responsibility for yourself for it to stop stinging.
I'm REALLY impressed with Hammer. Not because he spoke up, he simply told the truth. I APPRECIATE that. I RESPECT that. I'm impressed because I never would've bet in a million years that he would've stepped up and applied for screening after some of the things that transpired between us publicly over the years. I've always wanted to ask you why too. I hope that its because you are smart enough to discern Mike the man from Fantasys the brand. Meaning no one has ever been able to say that I have abused my position in any way that did not attack me in some way. In spite of my outspoken values and confrontational methodologies...haha..I really, really appreciate that Mike. That's why I kiss your ass, YOU earned it a lot more that the average. Makes you Above Average.....and the rest a bit below, huh.
ThatF---kingJerk@Fantasys~
Wow what a total ray of sunshine you are ! Considering from your own words you aren't in any need for appts since you are so well secured then why do you find it necessary to come here and viciously attack one of the prime members here ? The original poster here isn't a shit starter ! I'm betting he really was perplexed by your ignorant off putting response and wanted to truly know if he did something wrong. Considering that is what this site is for. Since you've obviously stated for a fact you aren't here to participate in the forums with the community and the associated reviews have no sense of value to you... then why did you come and jump down his throat so quickly if you weren't watching so closely ? Considering you babbled on your vulgar juvenile temper tantrum for way too many paragraphs, I think you proved yourself wrong. So BRAVO !!! If you just shut the hell up and stayed in the back ground noone would have paid attention but since you just publicized what a loose cannon you seem to be... I'm sure you're business will be "booming". LOL. good job !
@Lexi I assume u have a set of rules? I also will assume you do not deviate from them. Apparently Fantasys will not either. Sometimes going over the top is the only way to drive a point home. I will have to admit he has made the case to me that should one decide to work with them....you are probably as safe there as can be possible.
Ahhh yeah we all have rules... but are we not all human beings ? Is this site not specifically a forum for us to share our questions etc ? Seriously... that was just sooo over board !
I am sure just trying to show his clients and providers he is in charge. If you are going to have high profile clients...they don't want the guy at the top wavering.
You know what... I agree. I have rules for myself and the business that I run. Ummmm... pimps don't really catch an ounce of respect from me. They can hide behind the illusion of an agency etc.... but if it squeals like a pig it's a pig. A pimp.... is a pimp !
Oh, was that harsh
Oh I'm sorry.... are you proud of yourself for that ? lol... Idk I'd be embarrassed to totally have shown my ass in such a vulgar low class sort of way if I was top dog at my "business" as a man making money sitting back fat selling women's asses. But that's just me. Seems you may want to pm me your address, I have a few "self help" books that you may benefit from reading. Just saying !
Look, all I did was ask the self proclaimed "king of pill heads" if there were reviews anywhere (there was none on their web site) The classy thing for him to do would be either not respond, or respond that it's against their policy to provide anf information to anyone that hasn't gone through thier screening.
oh btw, MikeHammerIndy is in fact the Mike who runs Fantasy escort service
Look, all I did was ask the self proclaimed "king of pill heads" if there were reviews anywhere (there was none on their web site) The classy thing for him to do would be either not respond, or respond that it's against their policy to provide anf information to anyone that hasn't gone through thier screening.
oh btw, MikeHammerIndy is in fact the Mike who runs Fantasy escort service
Timeout - are you saying that Fantasys (who posted in this thread) and MikeHammerIndy (who also posted in this thread) are one and the same? That is a major no-no on any adult site forum and if true, that fact alone should send major alarms to any hobbyist considering using this agency.
Timeout - are you saying that Fantasys (who posted in this thread) and MikeHammerIndy (who also posted in this thread) are one and the same? That is a major no-no on any adult site forum and if true, that fact alone should send major alarms to any hobbyist considering using this agency.
well it's not really a fact, just a suspicion of mine as MikeHammerIndy popped up the same time Fantasy escorts started advertising in Indy.
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tl,dr i run a service i know everything worship me......
/ps mike fanstasy whowever you are...no one cares since this thread was dead months ago.
your agency looks shady and if it looks shady it is