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A first for me
Wondering what y'all think about this, pretty sure it has been discussed in theory before, but it was a first for me in actuality. So, what would you do?
I visit a certain city in US once or twice a year. Past three years, I make it a point to see a lady. Obviously I enjoy not only her offerings, but I enjoy spending time with her as well. Been over ten months since I last saw her. We always start with incall to hotel. This time, she walks in and my jaw dropped. She had gained a LOT of weight. She had gone from spinner status to "full figured." As I said, I enjoy her company, but had I known about the change in appearance I would have just asked her to meet up with me for a night out, but I had teased too much on the phone and via email to feel right in backing out so we conducted our usual business. But being the pig I am, the appearance was not what I had hoped and sorry to say it did lesson the overall experience.
Incidentally, none of her reviews on the oThER board make mention of the weight gain and neither does her website.
Just curious what you guys would do. As I said, I have a lot of mixed thoughts on the subject at present, but I also understand that this largely comes from my somewhat unique method of hobbying, i.e., preferring to be friends or have the semblance of friendship first.
and peaceful u better hurry im heade back west.
Still a fabulous lady with great hands! :P~ Thanks for stopping back in Minny, please don't take the sunshine back to Vegas when you leave!
If it was a civvie relationship Coyote should feel bad? That's what you're saying, GCE?
Nuh-uh. If I got back to Germany now and my bf (who's like 6'2" .. so not a small frame) had put on 60lbs I wouldn't be happy either...
I'd be more like "WTF happened to you?"
I mean of course I'd be nice and understanding and all that... but I'm not so sure we'd have as much fun as we usually do.
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If it was a civvie relationship Coyote should feel bad? That's what you're saying, GCE?
Nuh-uh. If I got back to Germany now and my bf (who's like 6'2" .. so not a small frame) had put on 60lbs I wouldn't be happy either...
I'd be more like "WTF happened to you?"
I mean of course I'd be nice and understanding and all that... but I'm not so sure we'd have as much fun as we usually do.
Go easy on GCE, Lucia. I don't think that was the intent of what was being meant. I reread the comment and I agree with your point of view, - assuming those 60 lbs were not muscle gain.
I took GCE's comments to simply mean that she understood the disappointment with an escort not meeting a physical expectation and agreeing that hobbyists have a right to be unhappy if somehow mislead. In a longer civvie relationship the expectations on appearance are not necessarily so straightforward. Thank goodness too or many of us hobbyists would really have our come uppance. But just to be safe, - think I am going to start hitting the gym again. Besides, one never knows when one will have an opportunity to test the weight limit of some Florida massage table 
i took his post to mean pay for play has different guidelines then non pro and hes right they do.
people tend to want what they want when they are paying after all.
in retrospect it was a b/s situation however i still would have probably done the same thing coyote did given the prior relationship.
i would ask for more recent photos if you repeat however.
i took his post to mean pay for play has different guidelines then non pro and hes right they do.
people tend to want what they want when they are paying after all.
in retrospect it was a b/s situation however i still would have probably done the same thing coyote did given the prior relationship.
i would ask for more recent photos if you repeat however.
There will be no repeat. Fool me once scenario.
I'm in minny till the 27th
If it was a civvie relationship Coyote should feel bad? That's what you're saying, GCE?
Nuh-uh. If I got back to Germany now and my bf (who's like 6'2" .. so not a small frame) had put on 60lbs I wouldn't be happy either...
I'd be more like "WTF happened to you?"
I mean of course I'd be nice and understanding and all that... but I'm not so sure we'd have as much fun as we usually do.
Go easy on GCE, Lucia. I don't think that was the intent of what was being meant. I reread the comment and I agree with your point of view, - assuming those 60 lbs were not muscle gain.
I took GCE's comments to simply mean that she understood the disappointment with an escort not meeting a physical expectation and agreeing that hobbyists have a right to be unhappy if somehow mislead. In a longer civvie relationship the expectations on appearance are not necessarily so straightforward. Thank goodness too or many of us hobbyists would really have our come uppance. But just to be safe, - think I am going to start hitting the gym again. Besides, one never knows when one will have an opportunity to test the weight limit of some Florida massage table 
It's supposed to be good for 350. So if you're not over 215 we're good. The bigger guys have a good time, too, but I like it better when I can climb all over them.
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This is always in the back of my head as a provider.
due to medical problems I range from a size 2 to a size 6.
I've never had a complaint from a friend i tell them all.( another reason i do not work much or take months off at a time)
My clients are all also friends dinner dates movies etc..so i suppose that helps.
This business does require us ladies to keep a certain appearance.
Sometimes birth control makes women BLOW UP! or in allot of cases started to eat more and take time off since they have a higher income and not having to work normal 10 hour a day shift? idk
Is it possible she had a child if its been a year and she did not tell you?
I know a lady whom is pregnant and still working 5 months not really showing yet?!
( I DO NOT THINK PREG LADIES SHOULD WORK) .
in my case
I love that my friends are understanding. Its always a worry of mine.
Im sure some day it might be an issue Ill pass that bridge when it comes...
Theirs nothing wrong with expecting the car that you keep in the garage to stay in the same shape as you left it in when you put it their.yea the breaks might squeak a bit from sitting to long.You shouldn't need to repaint the car
(ok bad analogy )
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thats tough coyote if it had been a one time session i would say back out. sadly since you had built it up you really did the only thing you could do in that situation. every once in a while even the hobbyist has to jump on the grenade.
I have had that happen on a number of occaions and it has not bothered me. What will bother me is if the attitude changes and teh service. I have had a lady that was average in stature surprise the heck out of my and when I saw her she was 5 sizes smaller than the last time. Was a knockout, but her attitude changed to being freindly to Gods gift to man. last time I saw her even though she looked awesome. I have had the other as well, she got bigger but her performance didnt change or got better, so I would still see her. That all said, I am not a guy that takes looks and put that on the very top of my list. Attitude and performance come 1 and 2 on my list.
In these cases, you still have a choice, depends on how you choose to handle it. If you choose your ladies by looks, you still have the right to back out if she has changed drastically, just have to know that she probably won't accept an appointment from you again even if she goes back to your look of choice. I know a guy that prefers brunettes and his ATF changed to blond and he backed out when she showed up, when the coloring wore out she still would not accept him back as a client. So it is a fine line. I like change, it is sometimes like being with a new lady when it is actually an ATF.
I have had that happen on a number of occaions and it has not bothered me. What will bother me is if the attitude changes and teh service. I have had a lady that was average in stature surprise the heck out of my and when I saw her she was 5 sizes smaller than the last time. Was a knockout, but her attitude changed to being freindly to Gods gift to man. last time I saw her even though she looked awesome. I have had the other as well, she got bigger but her performance didnt change or got better, so I would still see her. That all said, I am not a guy that takes looks and put that on the very top of my list. Attitude and performance come 1 and 2 on my list.
In these cases, you still have a choice, depends on how you choose to handle it. If you choose your ladies by looks, you still have the right to back out if she has changed drastically, just have to know that she probably won't accept an appointment from you again even if she goes back to your look of choice. I know a guy that prefers brunettes and his ATF changed to blond and he backed out when she showed up, when the coloring wore out she still would not accept him back as a client. So it is a fine line. I like change, it is sometimes like being with a new lady when it is actually an ATF.
Thanks for the input Moebius, pretty good summation of what went through my mind at the time.
Interesting commentary PS. Just shooting off the top, but for me - when I am leaving the envelope for that type of service, I want both looks and performance. The sad part was that this particular lady had met both criteria for me. Btw - I do like variety in hair color and even teased her about the new extensions. Yessiree, I am one smooth operator (sarcasm intended). Shamefully, when I am involved with FBSM, looks are not as important as service and attitude. It would appear that the importance of looks are directly relational to the level of service offerings, at least for me.
In retrospect - I am both unhappy with myself since I obviously had experience with this lady and enjoyed her company so her physical appearance should not have bothered me so and happy with myself for being able to avoid putting my foot in my mouth and saying something insultingly stupid to her about the weight gain. For me, it is not the lil head that gets me into trouble as it is the tongue with no head whatsoever.
But, had it not been for the "envelope" I am not sure I would have given any of this a second thought. And that is my self-epiphany of the day. Thinking of changing my handle to Shallow Hal....
Let's not forget that you are paying for it. Sure, part of your experience with her is emotional but most of us pay for it so that we can bang hot chicks. If there appearance has changed at all and that is not represented by new photos then it is a bait and switch pure and simple. I hate it when this happens. Coyote, you may like this girl but its pretty evident that she doesn't give a rat's ass about you because otherwise she would have told you about the change of appearance before you booked with her.
Let's not forget that you are paying for it. Sure, part of your experience with her is emotional but most of us pay for it so that we can bang hot chicks. If there appearance has changed at all and that is not represented by new photos then it is a bait and switch pure and simple. I hate it when this happens. Coyote, you may like this girl but its pretty evident that she doesn't give a rat's ass about you because otherwise she would have told you about the change of appearance before you booked with her.
I would not argue with this either. If she knew you, she should have mentioned the change and felt comfortable with it!
I agree with HW and PS. It's at best a case of unprofessionalism on her part and it worst B+S...depending on how you classify B+S. I'd be pissed though.
I can't believe she didn't tell you.
I know I would. I wouldn't get fat in 10 months, though... Can't imagine how some manage to gain so much so fast.
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easy they stop smoking. stop drinking or doing drugs u can gain tons of weight by that. me its thyroid etc.... rather not get into it.. ( i am a straight edger ~ drug and alcohol free ) hell i see allot of girls starting to do drugs to loose weight my cousin went from a size 7 to a size 0 in 3 months i think it looks gawd awful on her but men seem to love it that did not know her previously.. my other cousin stopped doing drugs and gained 80lbs in 9 months.
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my sis quit drugs she went from 100lbs to 212 in 5mos.
me on the other hand , am drug free and I have been the same size
for years.
she should of told u.
and peaceful u better hurry im heade back west.
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Are you in MN?
If so might try to head up there. PM me.
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my sis quit drugs she went from 100lbs to 212 in 5mos.
me on the other hand , am drug free and I have been the same size
for years.
she should of told u.
and peaceful u better hurry im heade back west.
WTF??? I go out west, you head back to MN...I return from out west and you head back out there. Not that I am paranoid or anything....but sheesh. I take it back, I was just kiddin about the Green Skinned Orion Slave Girl fetish.
Just to clarify my original post, on a rather small frame, - a 50-60 lbs. gain can seem like a LOT of weight to me. Did not mean to imply that she doubled her weight, closer to a 50% increase. The exact amount is/was not as important to me as the alteration in her physical appearance (and honestly, I am usually just not that discerning of such things.)
my sis quit drugs she went from 100lbs to 212 in 5mos.
me on the other hand , am drug free and I have been the same size
for years.
she should of told u.
and peaceful u better hurry im heade back west.
WTF??? I go out west, you head back to MN...I return from out west and you head back out there. Not that I am paranoid or anything....but sheesh. I take it back, I was just kiddin about the Green Skinned Orion Slave Girl fetish.
Just to clarify my original post, on a rather small frame, - a 50-60 lbs. gain can seem like a LOT of weight to me. Did not mean to imply that she doubled her weight, closer to a 50% increase. The exact amount is/was not as important to me as the alteration in her physical appearance (and honestly, I am usually just not that discerning of such things.)
50-60lbs is a hefty increase regardless of the frame. Hope for her sake that she gets her shit together. You'd be doing her a favor if you wrote her to let her know that she should be advising her customers of the changes to her appearance.
No need to feel bad about it.
If it was a civvie relationship, then yes.
Companions need to always remember that gentlemen, by and large, are visual creatures--visual stimulation is HUGE to most men, sooooo......while there are many men that appreciate larger girls, if a man is looking at photos of a height-weight proportionate provider, then they're GOING to be disappointed if they show up and find something different.
It's an inside joke with our girls that I'm always telling them 'do your crunches', and inspecting their nails every time I see them, lol.
muwaaah!
Lexi
@Coyote,
Tough one. We firmly believe you have the right to be disappointed. If you write a review, you might want to tactfully mention the weight gain.
Your experience seems so common among the hobbyists we see. We always tell ladies to be very clear, accurate and current when describing their physical appearance, and is another reason why we are not fans of having only professional, retouched photos and that it is much better to have a mix of raw amatuer photos as well.
We always advise ladies that it is better to underpromise and over deliver - and the experience begins in the first 10 seconds, with what they see versus the photos that created their expectation of what they HOPED to see.
Oh... if in any way you are concerned about "buring the bridge" with her, another way to let her know... perhaps ask another provider you are close with to "mention" her weight gain to her. If it were us we'd say:
"Hey, we recently saw a gent a few weeks back and have been meaning to let you know, he mentioned he had seen you and he seemed kinda put-off that your photos didn't match you current appearance and he thought you looked a lot heavier. Like I said, I though you just might appreciate the back-channel feedback - best of luck."
If the provider pressed for the identity of the gent, we'd say something like this:
"You know, I'm really sorry, it was a few weeks ago and now I can't remember clearly who it was - but even if I could, it might not be a good idea to break confidentiality. Anyway, we just thought the feedback would be helpful as we always appreciate getting constructive feedback. Best of luck"
Just our 4 cents,
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@Coyote,
Tough one. We firmly believe you have the right to be disappointed. If you write a review, you might want to tactfully mention the weight gain.
Your experience seems so common among the hobbyists we see. We always tell ladies to be very clear, accurate and current when describing their physical appearance, and is another reason why we are not fans of having only professional, retouched photos and that it is much better to have a mix of raw amatuer photos as well.
We always advise ladies that it is better to underpromise and over deliver - and the experience begins in the first 10 seconds, with what they see versus the photos that created their expectation of what they HOPED to see.
Oh... if in any way you are concerned about "buring the bridge" with her, another way to let her know... perhaps ask another provider you are close with to "mention" her weight gain to her. If it were us we'd say:
"Hey, we recently saw a gent a few weeks back and have been meaning to let you know, he mentioned he had seen you and he seemed kinda put-off that your photos didn't match you current appearance and he thought you looked a lot heavier. Like I said, I though you just might appreciate the back-channel feedback - best of luck."
If the provider pressed for the identity of the gent, we'd say something like this:
"You know, I'm really sorry, it was a few weeks ago and now I can't remember clearly who it was - but even if I could, it might not be a good idea to break confidentiality. Anyway, we just thought the feedback would be helpful as we always appreciate getting constructive feedback. Best of luck"
Just our 4 cents,
Good advice and I agree about mixing up the "natural" photos with the "professional" ones. Some of the photographers are so good these days they could make me look like a sexy Playboy bunny.
Some of the photographers are so good these days they could make me look like a sexy Playboy bunny.
this reminds me of what a photog did to martha stewart! ill have to find it and post it! she looks like a hot momma!
If they make her loook like a sexy thang imagine what they do to us regular/ cute girls!
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