Good points. I think he meant to say that you probably have a higher chance of walking into a sting when you call some indy from Craigslist. I agree with you though - Indies are less likely to get busted and even if they do they will bring less people down with them and they are probably less likely to have all of your info recorded.

the desert divas case makes it very simple.

angencies = felony = 7 years statute of limitations (arizona)
indies = misdemeanor = 1 year statute of limitations (arizona)

Who received the sentences in that case, providers or hobbyists?

Thank you Anna! I rest my case...

I believe these cases are now pending...

both

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/central/story/New-arrests-in-Phoenix-Desert-Diva-prostitution/E5k-8NE6FEW-dz3XM3kbqg.cspx

New arrests in Phoenix Desert Diva prostitution sting
Reported by: Deborah Stocks
Email: dstocks@abc15.com
Reported by: Gary Sarnoff
Last Update: 5/09 2:28 pm

The Maricopa County Attorney and Phoenix Police announced Friday that 43 more people have been indicted in a prostitution investigation that began in 2007.

The arrests led to a 112 count indictment and so far 19 people have been arrested for their involvement in Desert Divas. They were arrested by police in Phoenix, Colorado, Florida and the state of Washington.

Thomas said the investigation included financial records, computer records and interviews.

Eleven women were arrested on prostitution charges. They are:

25-year-old Melissa Ann Haden
25-year-old Mindy Allison Haden
38-year-old Michelle Ann Keithley
24-year-old Tania Marie Koyanagi
24-year-old Jillian Lybarger
24-year-old Julissa Varela Flores
21-year-old Diane Savannah Hasse
21-year-old Leslie Ann Wolf
24-year-old Ashley Marie Kutka
27-year-old Cynthia Matthews
24-year-old Emily Jean Boyd

Four others are alleged to be VIP customers, according to Thomas. Three of them have been served with notice of indictment. They are:

31-year-old Lloyd W. Harris
67-year-old Harley Clayton Lisherness
62-year-old Rodney Joseph Rosta.

One man, 45-year-old Glen Edward Goldblatt, is accused of being a photographer for the operation and two women were allegedly phone operators working for Desert Divas and its associated businesses.

Thomas said, "This case is beyond prostitution. This was a major criminal syndicate that allegedly made millions of dollars."

The business allegedly was making bank deposits of $250,000 a month, according to Thomas.

Phoenix Public Safety Director Jack Harris said Friday, "Prostitution is often referred to as a "victimless" crime. However, the effects of these crimes adversely impact the quality of life in our community."

The Phoenix Police Department began making the first series of arrests on August 4th in the investigation of the nationwide prostitution ring with links to the Valley.

On Thursday, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said that a county detention officer had been arrested on prostitution charges.

Hi There,
My name is Vicki and I own and operate an AGENCY. I don't do bait and switch, we don't up charge, we must be one of the few around that does business the correct way. It pisses me off to read why men don't care for Agency. I do understand and if I had been treated as many of you have been, I guess I would feel the same way!

Well, if any of you ever make it to Huntsville Alabama, try this Agency out!
Thanks
Vicki

Hi Vicki. I've had both good and bad experiences with agencies as I have with independent providers. I don't see much of a difference between the two in terms of getting what you pay for. The recent discussion here however seems to be saying that agencies are more dangerous because they hold on to client's information. Does your agency do that?

Some agencies keep records and well known providers keep records as well. So either way you take the chance of your information being saved when using ANY service. As an owner of an agency I can say that some higher end providers don't work independantly because if they are adult stars their schedule doesn't allow for them to answer the phones and screen. I think it depends on how much a client wants to spend, if they want a provider having all their information and if the independant tends to be on time. If you find a hot provider that is independant and GFE and cheap and on TIME you found a winner and see if she'd like to come and work for an agency .

LOL, well said.

I definately prefer Indy over Agency. Indy you get to actually communicate with the provider and if you have some activity you would like included in your appoitment you can get an answer from the provider if she enjoys it or not. Also, if you want some sort of a fantasy, the provider can let you know if she will provide it or not.
With an agency, you talk to an operator and sometimes it's even a male. I feel very uncomfortable explaining something to a male to begin with, but an agency is always going to tell you the provider you are interested in enjoys whatever you are asking for because they have to book her as many times as possible. Everything is fine until they have your money, then the provider doesn't want to do as planned. You can never talk to the provider before hand to clear anything up.
I have a friend that worked for a Miami agency for almost a year. She told me how they used to book her 7 or 8 appointments a day. That is another reason I don't like agencies, they book back to back to back and I hate that. The ladies aren't fresh, or sometimes not into a session because they have had so many appointments already. I don't care how professional you are, you can only handle so many men in a day and still enjoy it.
Kirt

As an indy provider...

I honestly think you that the foreplay should start on the phone with first contact... So unless you are looking for a 3 some with the phone operator you loose that first connection...

I know we do not talk details and such and that the screening has to happen but I am the first to admit that after a great conversation with someone respectful and fun that made me smile on the phone I don't ever care what his reference says...

It seems to me that you gents would like to get a feel on the phone of a sexy, fun loving, kind, warm person...

It sorta sets the mood for me since I do not script any of my dates... It helps me to know how to prepare, what he prefers me dressed in... If he prefers me to be dressed and walk into the location with him instead of him wondering the halls of a hotel looking for my room...

The other feeling I have is... If you speak to the agency and they are booking, the girls have no scheduling freedom to go longer thus making them have to be clock watchers...

Just a few of my personal thoughts...

xoxox
HEIDI

Independent... by far. I prefer the idea of just dealing with the provider directly.

Me too but I have had some pleasant experience with agencies as well. I wouldn't write them all off but if I could choose I'd go the indy route.

For me, better to have both since both are unique from one another and have other advantages from each other. Most indies who are GFE providers are not clockwatchers and will give their own individual personal touch & eager to please. However, some indies can be unreliable at times with their high volume work and cancel on you at anytime to go for a more lucrative appt. Bad for business if she's NC/NS. The agency however, if the 1st escort is unavailable for some unknown reasons...a 2nd or 3rd escort can take her place and not leave the client hanging and not lose a potential customer. My experiences of both that they follow good screening to protect both sides. Just my 2 bits. Plus, another advantage of agencies are that they have more access to high profile Porn Stars who provide a one in a lifetime PSE.

I agree with most of what you say but I have a problem when agencies add a girl who is "never" there but they say "we can send someone over who is almost the same". That to me is a form of B+S

every agency I have had the rotten luck of calling, has been an upselling situation. Where the advertised prices was for the agency and tipping starts at "$200" and have ended up broke and unsatisfied. I have since made a rule to only go with independent girls, they are able to make and break there own rules with out anyone for them, or me, to answer to.

i thought you were in phoenix ?

i thought we had a bunch of agencies that did a flat rate

idependent is a way better situation then agency. Agency girls haver thius habit of saying the advertised price is for the agency and that tipping starts at say "$200" if you want to do anything.

idependent is a way better situation then agency. Agency girls haver thius habit of saying the advertised price is for the agency and that tipping starts at say "$200" if you want to do anything.

idependent is a way better situation then agency. Agency girls haver thius habit of saying the advertised price is for the agency and that tipping starts at say "$200" if you want to do anything.

I like Independent all the way. In atlanta they use fake pics and you never get what you ask for. At least this was my experience with a well known agency here. Some referral sites are cool but the girl can be hard to reach. I like the independent because I can get to know her before we meet and it's less mechanical. GFE is important to me. I don't like to be rushed and non-agency girls are more laid back. just my 1 cent8)

Lots of agencies operate by posting generic pictures of beautiful women on their website and then telling you when you call "she's not available but I have someone else similar". While some of them still provide hot women, the photos they show are often bullshit. Just something to look out for. If I ever hear an agency tell me "she's not here but I've got someone better" I just hang up the phone and so should everyone else.

Hey guys! It does not matter which. Just find one that is dependable and go with it!

Thanks! Case closed and hopefully thread too!

independent because thr girl can make her own rules and everything is discreet. with the agency, your personal info may get in to the hands of the unwanted. im an independent mami:)

Nice butt!

Hi I just saw your post I just have one question for you? Do you know what STD'S LOOK LIKE? GFE with a girl a girl who provides this services to about 3-5 gus a day can leave you with a explanation to your wife on why she is burning or why you have HIV. Hello this proffession is to provide a private safe discreet encounter with a women for a short periode of your life. Men have to venture thats fine but why would you risk your health and relationships just to get off. 60% OF GFE providers end up with a STD. You GFE contributors should really try a nice CLEAN girl it's just as pleasurable when the personality is right.

Not sure if you are posting in the right thread since this is about agencies or independents not GFE. Anyway, I'd LOVE to see where you get your numbers from. Your really think that 60% of GFE providers end up with an STD...that's preposterous. Please don't fear monger around here. The chance of getting an STD from a BBBJ is minute.