You met with the madam? Did you speak with her after? Something does not add up here, what do other reviews say about this place? Still, whether any of us feel you got ripped off or not, is not what you are asking, so -

I don't think you were wrong in your expectations. I think you got hoodwinked. (to use your words.)

I have to agree with Coyote here. I think you got ripped off.

However, the list that the web site provides does seem a little suspicious. Things like "modeling", "teasing", "chatting", "dress up"... ummm, ok. They do seem to avoid insinuating that they offer what a client might really want. While they do mention GFE and "sensual massage", those terms might mean something different to this (apparently softcore) agency..

I mean seriously: "pampering", "stripping", "very mild" this and that. I think this place just offers girls that take off their shirts and wiggle around. Unless you were a victim of a YMMV situation, they are lame.

I think you AND the girl got ripped off.

you were robbed, however you should have cut your losses and left. at the very least you need to write a review so no one else gets the anal excavation you did.

the agency if legit needs to fire the girl. nice or not shes in the wrong business, her squeamishness at the job she choose dictates she needs a new one. your not helping her by letting her keep the one she scammed her way into. the next guy may not be half as understanding as you are.

So I was just about to go and write a review. And I probably will, but I hit their website real quick to get url, and make sure I spelled her name right. When I got there she was still on page, but when I refreshed her pics were removed. I'm thinking she got home and dove a little deeper into where she was being listed and saw what they were advertising and had them removed her from their site.

I'll still post a review though. Wondering if the agency will be pissed at me. *shrugs*

Net

Again, I must be missing the obvious - why not contact the agency to give them a chance to end all doubt and show their true colors, one way or another. There are agencies that scam and there are agencies that hire girls they should not and there are agencies that legitimately care about their business. If the latter, give them a chance to make it right. If either of the first two, why do you care if they get pissed?

You still have not said if you saw and/or talked to the "madam" after the session. Did she just disappear? Legit agencies tend to notice stuff like a two hour session that last one hour, especially when half the money is given back. Weren't you the same hobbyist that commented in a different post about using CL? If so, dude - look somewhere else for a more reputable experience.

Since I found you guys I've stopped using CL. Well I think the only reason the lady was there when I got there was due to the provider not being there yet. So no didn't see her after. You are probably right and I should contact them.

its a diy agency.

the list makes it obvious.

except gfe experience, they are clearly abusing the phrase, knowing what it means but applying their own definition to the phrase. (example- she'll act like your girlfriend by addressing you as "sweetie")

i used to work for one of those agencies when i first entered the business.. they advertised "full service" but that meant the girl got fully nude.

diy = do it yourself.

Ana, you probably are right. But a simple phone call to the agency puts to rest all doubt. As a relatvie newbie, ND needs to make sure of his facts before he submits a review. And to ND - you should do a review, especially if they are ripping others off with this misleading advertising practice. IMHO - "diy" agencies are rip-off.

What was the name of this agency ND?

I agree you should let us no the name maybe someone else used them and it was great and you got the wrong girl or it is a total ripoff?

I feel for the girl. Because I'm pretty sure what they told her is something like:

"It's supereasy for you, since you actually know how to do a massage, and really, you NEVER have to do ANYTHING sexual, you just do what you feel like, all you have to do is give a massage, everything else is totally up to you."

In Germany there are massage places like that. Prostitution being legal, it's easy to just call them and ask what exactly is offered. And yes, there are a places that explicitly only do massage and teasing, no HE.
She probably had no clue of how much different it's here.

I agree,
Dear I think you were duped by the blatent misused term "sensual erotic or the term exotic massage" .
I really am tired of seeing that used by tease types.
It's just bad business in general.
I can understand the concept of it and all to avoid LE run ins etc etc and the concept of making a disclaimer on a site/ad for the same reason.
But if its a tease they should carefully explain that from the start when you're scheduling And mostly should NOT be using GFE if they don't offer it.
IMO
I don't care how hot they are If you're not giving some kind of an HE or totally nude with mutual touching (I mean everywhere touching not just an exchange ) then you are NOT an erotic massuse whatsoever.
Sensual and erotic have two different meanings.

Some agencies are just out for a quick buck like I had said on another thread,
Most of the time girls that work for agencies don't baby sit their ads let alone even know what the agency put in the ad or on the site.
That paticular situation ND described is what I've been hearing about what is going on in MPLS metro right now from many new clients, while there are plenty of reputable providers there are even more of the
Tease, B&S(s) false representation variety and it's becoming common with the AMP's too
clever wording, fake endorsments aside
a B&S is a B&S.
At least she gave part of the money back, if I were her I probably would of given it all back to you and had the owner step in so I could hear for myself what they're doing as far as representing me goes.

I agree 100%. No matter how you cut it, this is a B&S and it should be negatively reviewed for being totally misleading.

if they were legit, they would've been upfront about being an agency.
they weren't.
he found out after he got there that it was an agency.

I agree with the amps. part i went to one she took the towel off me right away gave some teasing would let me touch her, but then nothing else and she stayed fully clothed i dont no if the L.E has just really put a crack down in Arizona.

No Ana, - he knew about it being an agency. Quoted from the OP, "I told her about what the agency website said and that they advertise as an escourt service. " He obviously knew before he got there.

As I said, I personally think you are right about the DIY BS. However, I also find it ironic that I am defending an agency in this (perhaps I need to check my meds), but to you and all those that have posted previously - slow down a bit.

It is still "possible" that the agency is/was not aware of the situation with this girl. I nonetheless stick to my comment that a simple phone call clears up that doubt. Just because the girl was nice does not mean she was not a mis-hire. The fact that she gave some money back just makes me wonder. None of us have asked if the specific girl was new or had any reviews. We all are just speculating, largely based on our personal biases. Big difference between writing a review saying one got ripped off by an agency and writing a review that says an agency girl did not fulfill agency advertisement, but the agency made it right. - Gotta give the agency a chance, especially if you are a newbie hobbyist.

We have some solid agencies in ATL and some not so good. Fortunately, the solid ones appear to out-number the rip-offs. From casual observation, it would seem this is NOT the case in a great many other locations. Nonetheless, even reputable agencies can have girls that are not comfortable with the role - IMO, it is how the agencies handle thiese situations for the clients that determine if they are worth another shot or deserve a public outing.

Ps to my previous post - I've been saying something was bothering me about this - and after rereading the OP, here it is...quoted from the OP.

"So here I do the research and all and find someone through what she called a friend, but their an Agency.....She indicated she only started doing this and doesn't enjoy it."

ND, What research do you do? You researched the agency? I hope more than just look at their website? How could you pick a girl if she only just started doing this if you did the research?

I still stand behind my previous comments about calling the agency, but there are also some peculiar discrepancies in your OP.

that was the part that made me think that he didn't know it was an agency until later.
but you're right - if he told the girl what the agency website said, he had to have known it was an agency before he got there.

Wow... Thanks for all the replies.

So to address some of the questions.

About my research. I found the agency through another one of their providers ads. I checked her out on RS2K and I also looked up other adds they had posted. The provider I met with was new, but I figured if it was an agency that perhaps they all ran similar and heck I'm new so why not give a new provider a chance if the agency seemed decent.

I knew it was an agency, but the provider didn't.

As for their site they now have for that provider something to the extent of "Her pics brought you here" but she is no longer available. I really think she didn't know what she was getting into or more to the point what they were getting her into.

Their site is www.chicagolandfantasygirls.com

This is just one of those things you learn when you are new to this though. At least I found you guys and you are educating me fast. Just think of the poor guys who never find sites like NR and they get screwed over and over.

Net

Umm, was the girl you saw named "Marilyn"? Because according to their site, she's been fired...

I find their site very confusing. The whole "her pictures brought you here" (when you click 'read more') doesn't make sense either. That's a B&S in and of itself.

Real simple, she has been fired or she quit, does not matter which. I am calling BS (not on ND, but on the provider). Specifically the part about not knowing it was an agency. Even giving her the benefit of the doubt of her not knowing it was "that" type of agency is incredulous to me. Seems more plausible that she either got cold feet or something you said or did spooked her and she decided during the session it was not for her. But whether you believe her and she was duped or not, is no longer the issue.

What is the issue is how or if this agency intends to make it up to you. ND - complain, if the agency does not do anything (and I honestly doubt they will 'cuz I agree with Gary on the B&S way they are handling her photo) then write the review and blast them. I suspect more read reviews than read these forums. Even the most experienced of us has had the situation where we know of -or- personally had a situation with a NCNS because the lady decided escorting was not right for them. BUT, if the agency does try and make it right, then give them props for that in your review of that girl.

One other thing, checking ads is only the first step of research. And most certainly, all agencies are not alike and even more assuredly, not all agency girls are alike. We all have our bias for or against agencies. Personally, give me an independent anytime (or as Ana is quick to point out, one that at least acts like an independent.) Unless you are unlimited in funds, time and patience - I strongly suggest you look for providers with verifiable reviews....whether they be agency girls or independents. Once you have met a few of these verifiable ladies, then you will be better prepared should you wish to branch out into TOFTT adventures.

Edited for clarity by coyote

Coyote, thanks for the advice. TOFTT is a new phrase for me as well. It's ever the learning process. I've been doing the research, but it seems all the providers I find that I'm interested in need references. Which by the way I don't blame them. Safety is definately key. But being a new hobbiest means not having references. So my choices are somewhat limited.

THIS IS "FANTASY GIRLS" THE AGENCY
HELLO " netdog " I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIES TO YOU FOR YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH "CHICAGOLANDFANTASYGIRLS" WITH MARILYN . I RUN THAT AGENCY MY NAME IS ANI AND I WORK VERY VERY HARD AND WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT YOUR EXPIRANCE I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED.
BEFORE YOU WROTE THAT REVIEW I HAVE REMOVED MARILYN FROM MY WEBSITE BECAUSE SHE ASKED ME SHE WANTS TO MAKE $250 FROM ONE HOUR.WHEN I FIRST HIRED HER LIKE 3 WEEKS AGO SHE WANTED $200 AN HOUR.SO I WAS GIVING HER THAT MONEY PLUS I WAS PAING FOR HOTEL,I THOUGHT SHE IS WORTH IT.I DID NOT ASK HER WHAT SHE WAS DOING DURING HER SESSIONS WITH THE CLIENTS,SHE DID NOT EVEN WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT.FIRST TIME SHE BROUGHT ME HER PICTURES AND THEY WERE VERY SEXY,NICE PICTURES YOU CHOOSE HER, DOES HER PICTURES LOOKED LIKE MASSAGE GIRL AND SHE WANTED $200 FOR ONE HOUR,SHE SAID THAT SHE IS BROKE AND HAVE NO MONEY AND SHE WAS VERY SWEET, BARROWED FROM ME FEW HUNDRED TO PAY HER PHONE ,SOME RENT, ECT
SHE WAS ON MY WEBSITE SHE WAS THERE ALL THE TIME,SHE EVEN WAS INSERTING HER NEW PICTURES WITH ME.
SHE ORDERD WHICH PICTURES SHE WANT ON RS2K,WHEN SHE DID NOT HAVE INTERNET I PRINTED FOR HER, HER PICTURES ,SHE WAS CHECKING THAT SITE ALL THE TIME SAING WHAT SHE SAW FOR EXAMPLE THAT SOME GIRLS MAKE $500 FOR SESSION AND SHE SAID WHY NOT HER.
I REMEMBER YOU VERY WELL YOU BOOKED FOR TWO HOURS WE HAD SPECIAL $220 FOR ONE HOUR
AFTER ONE HOUR WITH YOU SHE CALLED ME THAT SHE DONE,THAT YOU WERE VERY HAPPY AND YOU GOT CALL AND HAD TO GO.NEXT SHE TEXT ME THAT FOR HER ONE HOUR A DAY IS ENOUGH, SHE FEELS VERY TIRED SO I UNDERSTEND
IT IS NOT EASY TO SEE LOT OF PEOPLE. I ASKED HER IF SHE RETURNED TO YOU MONEY FOR THE OTHER HOUR $220
SHE SAID YES SHE GAVE YOU HALF OF THAT MONEY AND SHE SAID THAT YOU GAVE HER TIP ,SO I WAS HAPPY AND SAID GOOD FOR YOU YOU EARNED IT.
SHE TOLD ME TO PAY HER MORE MONEY WHEN I SAID THAT SHE HAS TO WAIT FEW MORE WEEKS, SHE SAID THAT SHE QUIT THAT IS HARD JOB ECT. SO I REMOVED HER FROM THE SITE THEN SHE CALLED WHY SHE IS NOT ON THE SITE AND SHE APOLOGIES AND STILL WANT TO WORK AND AT THAT TIME I READ YOUR REVIEW AND I FIRED HER.SO IT WAS VERY WIRD DAY TODAY. "NETDOG" I AM SO SORRY I REALY CARE ABOUT PEOPLE AND I DO NOT WANT TO DESAPOINT NOBODY I AM HIRERING NEW GIRLS IN THE END OF THAT MONTH ,THEY ARE PROFESIONAL ,I WILL BE VERY VERY CAREFULL WHOM I HIRE NEXT TIME I PROMISE YOU THAT AND I WILL PROMISS YOU THAT IF YOU WILL LIKE ANY OF THE GIRLS {NOW KELLY IS OK} I WILL GIVE YOU DISCOUNT SO YOU JUST PAY THE GIRL FEE I WILL DISCOUNT YOU MINE ,I BELIEVE YOU WHAT YOU SAID,BECAUSE I HAD ONE MORE CALL TODAY SAING THE SAME THAT YOU SAID,AND THANK GOD SHE SAW ONLY FEW PEOPLE OTHERWISE I WOULD GO BANKRUPTCY LOL IF I HAD TO GIVE ALL OF YOU DISCOUNT,I AM NOT MED AT YOU AT ALL I UNDERSTEND YOUR POINT. I HOPE I HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN I WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU,THIS IS MY JOB,THANK YOU.ANI.

Going through this thread is like reading an Agatha Christie mystery. At least we discovered the truth at the end.

i definitely learned that you need to test the girls before you set them up with clients.
as much as it sucks, netdog's feedback is priceless because she could've cost you alot of good clients who would've repeated with your agency had they gotten good service.

i had a deal with a photographer.
when i hired a new girl, he'd take her pics and then he paid her $100 for a session after the shoot... no agency fee. . our rate at the time was $300 so that was a $200 discount and i got the photos for free. this works well because the girls need money quick when they come in or they wont stay long.... i always told the girl she was not obligated to do the session since it was less than what they were supposed to get, but they were always grateful to make money right away.

photographer would report to me any issues.
i never knew there could be so many damn issues.
absolutely ridiculous.

i think that posting here definitely shows that you are actually concerned about your clients.
good luck.

I agree. It was good of you to put forth the effort and clear everything up. It certainly shows that you care about the reputation of your service. Best wishes.

i am a bit confused because now the website shows marilyn is available.

netdog, a good reliable agency in chicago is http://www.apropo.us/
tracy has been in business for over 20 years so she must be doing something right, plus she's hella cool.

MARILYN WANT TO STILL WORK BUT DO ONLY SENSUAL MASSAGES,I DO NOT KNOW,
AT LEAST I KNOW THAT SHE CAN DO THAT
I HAVE PAID FOR ADVERTISMENT FOR HER AND I CAN NOT CHANGE THE PICTURES FOR TWO WEEKS.

It is good that you are replying out in the open. Speaking only as a fan of Sensual Massages, based on what has been previously posted here - if a lady is doing sensual massage but is leaving me to do my own happy ending, I am VERY unhappy, meaning if she is not even going to do that - she is still going to hurt your overall business and she should seek another career.

PS Small request, please stop posting in all CAPS.