thank you.
i've passed the information on to some girls in vegas but i'm not sure that naughty will allow your post to stay up.

there is an escort only forum here on naughty but i'm not sure that they allow that kind of information to be posted there either.

national blacklist sites are:

http://www.nationalblacklist.com --- free, anyone can post

http://www.providerbuzz.com --- free, escorts only and you will be screened.

http://www.dangerzone411.com -- escorts only and screening is tough.. free trial then small fee..... if you can get in it's worth it.

LOL, this isn't by any chance related to the review you received that was less than 5 stars is it? I'm calling bullshit on this one pure and simple. If the guy didn't pay WTF does it matter if he was a good lay or not? This is pure retaliation as far as I'm concerned and his phone number should be removed from this post.

I've edited the phone number as it is not appropriate to place someones private number in this forum. To the OP, this information is best placed in the "escorts only" forum where you are free to share the phone number.

I'm glad to see support removed the phone number. It sounds to me like you could be right HW, although the review seems to be a good one.

YIKES!!!

their allot I see wrong w this picture

# Id require seeing a business card? ( something proving he is a doctor) also his legal id/ passport for verification

# 2 y was the donation not made visible before things started?

# 3 no matter what the situation id never judge their performance.. not everyone can last 5 hours some are bigger some are smaller....

I am always genuine sweet and bubbly w my clients... if they are expecting a PSE or disrespectful i simply ask them to leave end the session or tell them im not the best fit for them and wish them well

I dont mean to be such an itch.. seems it could have been avoided

I just hope you stay safe and possibly do a bit more verifying... sorry for all the troubles brought to you form this bad situation..(client)

I didn't even care much about the other stuff except what does she me he didn't pay and why did she collect the donation first? -_o

I'm pushing the bullshit button BC of exactly as what beautiful Ms lucero stated.
it could of gone worse and I'm glad you're ok, however
you need to step up security a Tad.

I've had a gentleman short me wanting the full deal but i gave him what that donation includes ( which isnt much beyond a great massage )and when I called him on it, he wrote bad review full of misinformation and gave me 2 stars
so saying she's upset by that is moot.

Maybe there should be a section to rate us as Hobbyist or does that already exist?

We're working on it LOL but I still think its a bad idea

I am going to throw my hat in the circle with the bullshit crowd, but not for the same reasons entirely.

I had to prepare by putting on all my body armor for when I get the beat down!

My opinion-this entire meeting NEVER happened.

Why, my gut says so and is verified by the tone and content of the post.

"Avoid at all costs" This is truthful you never got paid "and the guy sucked" tells me you are pissed because he didn't treat you the way you wanted to be treated. It would have been better if you had made a post about how a guy should treat a lady, not create the post you did. I'll explain what I get from the rest of your post and most likely what you will get as a result from it.

"He said he was a doctor / plastic surgeon." OMFG he lied! how could that be? I'd guess you are correct with this assumption...I'll also bet you didn't tell him too many personal things of where you work or have worked!

"Next he was at his Aunt's house cause his is being built in Red Rock." No surprise here accept that you are believing the entire story as truth! Both of these first two comments of yours make you out to be very gullible and that will only make you a target by future assholes, for what it is worth, take the ladieas advice that posted to this thread and keep this stuff on the ladies board, then they can read how vulnerable you are and help you before other men find out and use you like you are suggesting this guy did! I also agree with the ladies that more screening needs to be done, but not the type of screening they suggest. Seeing a guys ID is not going to mean much if he is a bad apple, now getting references from ladies that you might know, now you have some personal experiences to hear about and that to me means a hell of a lot more in safety than an ID. The ID might help if you want to call the cops AFTER a bad deed is done! Reeferences will help you PREVENT a bad deed from being done!

Now as to the remaining parts of your post "The street is Tara. The number is 702(edited by support) and he said name is Mark!" I don't care where you post it, I consider it a PUBLIC place(provider or general boards, including black lists) and if I were to find out that you posted personal information about any person, hobbyist of provider, I'd write you off my list AND spread the words to assure all of my hobbyist and provider freinds avoid you! WHY, the one thing that every person man or woman wants from this hobby is discretion and posting personal information anywhere voids that promise!

EVERY person in the hobby has private information and I don't know a single one of them that wants any of it public! Nobody wants to get ripped off but it happens to men and women alike...by all means share the man or womans hobby profile for all the good it will do, both men and women can change that stuff at the drop of a hat!

I'LL STATE THIS IN A LOUD VOICE: NO PERSONAL INFORMATION BELONGS IN THIS HOBBY, IT IS ILLEGAL!

Networking is the BEST way you have to STAY SAFE! See only people that you can verify with someone you KNOW PERSONALLY! Get to know the ladies in your area, trust me you will find out very quickly which ones are out to protect you and which ones will screw you over for a dollar!

If you are a woman and you see gentlemen without screening them with references, you are paying with fire and eventually you will get burned. I know a few ladies that use unconventional methods of screening, mans best freind, gut instinct among them. These ladies have been in the bizz a LONG time and have developed these insticts, they WON"T work for most people! If you are a guy and play the TOFTT you are playing with fire and will get burned eventualy. That does not give either person the right to divulge personal information and break the discretion that EVERY depends on for safety!

I have seen first hand what personal information being disclosed can do to a person, and 95% of that harm has NOTHING to do with the hobby! Fear of childrens safety, being exposed to the general public, NOBODY in this hobby should have to deal with any of that.

Stay and play in the hobby and do your very best at protecting youself without trying to use retalitory methods. An once of prevention is worth 10,000 tons of cure!

Okay, i'm done...open season!

This has been suggested in the past. I think the problem is that there would be too many self-reviews

Think about it for a minute. A review place for providers to rate hobbyists? What lady is going to rate a guy poorly if she hopes to have a chance of repeat business. And if she doesn't care about the guy repeating with her, - do you really think she is going to put out there for other hobbyists to read, negative comments - would any hobbiest want to see such a lady? How many of us have backed away just because of a post we read? (Side note - yes ladies, the opposite is true also, as many of your posts attract our interest.)

So, how believable will these reviews be and for what purpose will they serve? If a dude has questions on his performance, anatomy, demeanor, etc. - he should just ask the lady. I have not found these ladies to be shy about voicing their opinions.

Other reasons why this is just plain stupid - the BS revenge issue (see posts above in THIS thread). And yes, I will say it - there is also a legal concern. Further - some of these ladies are downright territorial about their clients. Not speaking for anyone else - but I would hate that a provider's review (real or therwise) could potentially impact my ability to see someone else. I am all in favor of the blacklist concept for scum, lack of respect for personal boundaries, rip-off guys, etc.

I don't see how anyone could think this is a good idea. If a guy is that freakin insecure - he should just go to an AMP, at least that way he most likely won't understand what the girls are really saying and can make up whatever suits his ego.

For many of us - if we wanted to be reviewed on our performance or any other aspect of our interpersonal skills, we would just ask our SO's and/or exes.

i agree with most of what you said except the above.

1. escorting is legal.
2. if a guy doesn't pay, then HE voided the agreement and he is not entitled to discretion.

So what you are saying is that if a lady does not do her due diligence and get the money up frontm, then it is ok for her to post he real name all over the internet because discretion is no longer neccesary??

Using that mindset, it would mean that every time a lady did not do everything in her profile, the guy has the right to get her REAL name and post it all over the internet because discretion is no longer warrented? Also using the idea that posting real names on PO or HO boards, black lists, it is all uncalled for. I am pretty sure that if Guys were posting ladies real names and home addresses in the hobby only room, the ladies would be pretty pissed off.

We will have to agree to disagree.

If the guy didnt pay she should have left! Pretty simple solution to that issue without breeching discretion. I still don't believe the date even occured.

Ana you are always quick to point out BS when it comes from hobbyists but I think this posts shows that you are over-protective of providers no matter what. This provider obviously is full of shit and posted this bullshit for ulterior motives. I respect you but please agree that the OP is questionable at best. Note that she never came back here to respond to any of the accusations.

I do agree with Ana on the last part he voided the agreement .
I'm not one to publicly out anyone.

You would have to have a system as well to weed out the retards "NCNS", I know.
And the other issues that occurs.

you are right.

it's her responsibility to collect her fee.

1. i'm too scared of providers to call bs on them.
2. if i did, i'd be accused of jealousy or competetion or pettiness
3. if i call bs on a guy, there's zero chance of me effecting his income so it doesn't matter if i'm right or wrong.

since i'm on the spot here, yes i think her post is bogus.. i was trying to gently encourage her to edit it without coming out and accusing her of lying or judging her for her lack of discretion. ...

quick frankly, i could care less if a guy is a lousy lay, that has nothing to do with my safety and it's not something that is posted in legitimate warnings. .. ...... any provider posting regarding a guy's performance obviously has a personal vendetta she's fulfilling. i wouldn't take a warning like that seriously ever....

i was not being protective of her at all but i wasnt trying to beat down the competition. .

i reported the post to support before i replied.

Perfectly understandable. I'm too afraid of providers myself, especially you

Wow. This was some good reading and some good arguements.

We stand in support with AnnaBangBang as we take threats to safety or income very seriously and the low-lifes that prey on these ladies need to be dealt with.

As for this suggestion:

My hubby is working with a new firm that will kinda do this.

It is a review search engine, but also has a supplimentary ratings systems to help improve search results, it also has a pretty clever blind rating / acceptance tool that discreetly collects some degree of info about the gents that use the system.

Now, before people freak out. The business has an advisory board made up of both active providers and active hobbyists representing each groups primary concerns. Both have found a comfortable middle ground to help each other while also protecting each others most sensitive issues.

So, please refrain from criticism without having full knowledge or understanding of the systems / business's inner workings. All that info will be available soon enough.

Just know it is being developed, and hes been in development for about a year now - the result is pretty exciting.

We are currently in discussion with about a dozen boards / sites (including this one).

wouldnt be the first guy ive scared stiffy

well any site that uses some unknown group of third party individuals to decide who gets the green light and who doesnt wont get my patronage. I dont need some anonymous search engine developer to make any decisions for me thanks much.
who are these active hobbyists and providers? why should i trust their judgment for that matter.
half of a cerTain semiExplict Review sites active posters my self included wont give the unvarnished truth in a public review so im to trust these guys to make some choice that may affect my hobby?

i think not.

Alex Here....

{{{shaking head}}}

Oh Moebius, let me understand something.

You think that an "advisory board" is an:

I thought you had a higher education.

Did you take ANY business classes?

I get annoyed when I'm forced to educate people who portray themselves as arrogantly as you.

So, for the benefit of our lurkers...

An "ADVISORY BOARD" is:

Simply put, an advisory board offers insight and direction to a business, this would include business systems, procedures, operations, revenue model, and marketing in addition to technical and financial issues.

To be clear - AN ADVISORY BOARD WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO INPUT IN DECIDING WHO GETS A GREEN LIGHT AND WHO DOESN'T - as this would be a gross and improper use of such a valuable resource.

The primary business model of the venture my Wife introduced is that of a "Search Engine". Oh wait, it appears you think a Search Engine actually "makes decisions for you" when you say:

Somewhere I thought you mentioned you had a technical education?

Have you been exposed to too many Microsoft Bing Commercials???

{sigh} Ok, for the benefit of our lurkers... A "Search Engine" is:

Please note, the above definition states that Search Engines operate "ALGORITHMICALLY" - do you know what an algorithm is Moebius?

The venture I am involved in is a specialized search engine (Perhaps you have heard of Lexis-Nexis), and it performs the task of searching multiple review databases and organizing the results according to a complex mathematical formula. (also referred to as an algorithm - note how few people are making decisions for you!)

Therefore, when you state that:

I can answer, of course, not!

No select group behind any meaningful and relevant search engine controls exactly the results that are delivered - Ultimately it is the users of any search engine who have a say in the formulation of the algorithm that is used. (Its called "feedback").

A search engine becomes useless and ineffective if it is not RELEVANT.

Therefore, keeping results relevant to the users is the primary objective of any search engine (even specialized ones).

While some gentlemen in the hobby have highly developed search engine skills, there are many, many more who do not (or lack the time to expend the effort).

You sir Moebius seem to among the few with exceptional search engine manipulation skills, but most people lack the time and effort to be as thorough as you. (Yes, I am paying you a compliment).

Thus we believe such a search engine suited specifically to search and return links to reviews from a plethora of review sites could become an invaluable tool to the hobby. (Kinda how Google does it when you think about it).

@Moebius - if perhaps you actually took the time to read, and comprehend the statements my wife and I make, and when not clear, take the time to ask questions before getting your panties in a bunch, I'd not have to take you to school so often.

Class dismissed.

ALEX

PS: Apologies if I am abrasive, I'm actually a very nice guy with only a few things that trip my trigger... I am an educated person, I refuse to reward stupidity, I refuse to sugar coat things that are obvious and rudimentary to others who portend to be as educated. I am an effective communicator, but I refuse to be gentle when people choose to run their mouths before engaging their brains. But otherwise, I'm a nice, decent and gentle guy

unless your spiders are going to ignore robots.txt i doubt your going to pull much up from the mainstream sites.
hell even that other board managed to set that up correctly.your site isn't relevant to my interests since its either going to play dirty and ignore robots or its going to be tailored to skew results to drive traffic in certain directions by making your searchs pull from less well setup sites. either way i cant trust the results of your spiders

i dont see your endeavor offering me anything of use that i cant duplicate with less effort and more faith in my search returns elsewhere.

im also sure im going to ridiculed in another overly long post with a high asshole rating from you alex however i just pipe you to dev\null for the most part so flame away.

Sorry I just have to chime in here. Alex, you calling someone else on this board arrogant is simply the funniest thing I've read in a long time. You're so full of yourself that you don't realize you've already missed the boat with your "review search engine". You frequently mention your status as a highly educated successful business person in rebuttal which I suppose you are...not many guys are smart enough to make money off their wife's coochie. You've also frequently made mention of the fact that reviews are flawed (probably to undermine your future competition).

Alex - I've said this before, you and Christine have a business model that works for you. For that, you are to be commended.

As for the demeanor of your posts - yes, they are abrasive and decidedly condescending in tone. In reference to some of those "lurkers" you mentioned - some of them, (and certain regular posters also possess higher education, including Master's degrees and beyond. – Not to mention the successful business people who own or manage RL businesses with sales in the millions. It is elitist and naive not to acknowledge this fact.

You (Christine included) and I have a fundamental difference and we simply will never agree. That difference is that I maintain is NOT your place or anyone's to insinuate themselves, into the business models of other hobbyists or providers. Whether this be directly or indirectly, as in the case of an advisory board, is irrelevant. Bottom line – no matter how it is phrased or to what degree, you are attempting to put forth a systems process that is intrusive. Some will not have any issue with the degree of transparency or depth of information such a process will attempt to garner. I do. Christine stated that this advisory board was in process of pitching this concept to many review sites, including NR. I do not care who constitutes this advisory board; it is its very purpose / existence with which I take issue, no matter how altruistic its mission statement may be.

The hobby at its basic implementation level is comprised of both adult providers and hobbyists. As such, adults should take reasonable precautions to ensure their own safety. If either party is uncomfortable with the other’s precautions they are free to go elsewhere. IMO, it is just wrong for any party to define what those precautions will be and/or how those precautions will be addressed for anyone other than themselves.

On the bright side, Alex – we do agree on one thing – Christine has a mighty fine looking bootie – shame she does not give us the opportunity to agree more.

PS: To all - Yep, I am off topic again.

@Moebius, @BigBilly, @Coyote

Alex Here Again...

Ok,

I am shocked and amazed.

I feel like you guys say one thing, then ignore facts. It seems as your purposly attempting to twist words. Many of your assumptions are just flat out incorrect, and all I can say is that they are based on incorrect interpretations of my written words.

Im at a loss to understand where all this flagrant animosity comes from (Other than you just don't like how my wife and I choose to operate our hobby).

It seems so plain and simple to me, and yet the same small group always cry foul. I am tired of trying to teach when there is no desire to reach a basic level of understanding - that doesn't mean we have to agree.

But damn, sometime you guys are so deep seated in your own perspectives that you refuse to actually "hear" anything that might sound different and defend positions that are irrelevant to the discussion - I feel like I am talking to stones.

{{{sigh}}}

So you guys think NR does not have an advisory board?

I am sure in their infancy, they collected some people to decide what criteria they were going to put into their review system.

Then, they listened to user feedback, and made adjustments & improvements. But to start, anyone who had input to its original design could be considered and "advisory board".

The same holds true for all review systems - even the ones you all swear by.

However, You would rather leap to irrelevant conclusions and make outlandish inaccurate assumptions about a legitimate business venture that I have involvement (which is also well funded and organized properly to conduct a business of this type).

Ahhh.... Your assumptions stem from how My wife and I choose to operate our hobby - so I understand your perspective (since it is agreed that what we do is not universally or even unilatteraly applicable to everyone else).

You gents are in error in your assumptions - sure, my perspective offers some insight, but, there is a process that is followed that insures, ultimately the users are in control.

I'll not bother to explain that process since it seems rather elementary to me - most legitimate business operations typically follow these best practices - and ultimately, deliver what the customers want. If they fail to do so, their products & services are irrelivant to the consumers, nobody buys and the venture fails - all pretty clear to me.

Bottom line - you guys keep crying "foul", yet I am telling you now, I see, hear and understand all your points. I agree with many of your "issues" and they are largely accounted for in the development of this venture. (its called market feedback guys)

But you guys leap to conclusions based largely on mis-understanding because you fail to read / comprehend - then you put absolutely no effort to better understand that which you seem to comprehend.

Instead, it seems easier for you to just bash things you don't understand.

For me, these discussions are tiring, unproductive and least of all - not fun.

Peace, ALEX

I think the problem is that you don't listen to other people's point of view very often and you write as if you were somehow superior to the rest of us. It's been mentioned on here more than once by more than one person- You aren't the only one that is educated so I'm really not sure why you think you are better than everyone else. In my lifetime experience people who are constantly puffing themselves up generally aren't as bright as those who don't need to. Good luck with your site, from what I understand its a pretty crowded space.

Alex Here,

@JohnJohn, Thanks for the input. I guess there is a "which came first, the chicken or the egg" scenario.

I feel as tho some gents have treated me as either somehow inferior, or kniving. Niether is true, and niether do I appreciate - hell, nobody does. From my perspective, I feel the mistreatment almost always comes first, to which I react.

Take this thread for instance...

Christine hinted to a different type of venture designed to improve searching specifically to this market - she even offered the caveat to restrain judgement, however, the first reply is based on twisiting her words resulting in (IMO) an inflated, heated and exceptionally terse response that I felt was totally unwarranted and unjustified. Especially since the respondedant fails to understand simple concepts or reads more into the words that is just not there.

I've read though her initial post 100 times, and I just don't see the basis of his argumentitive conclusions - they don't exist, not in the words that are present. He is somehow factoring in information from other sources, mis-understanding english (assigning inaccurate meanings to words) or is perhaps so blind to his own position that it clouds his reasoning.

Whatever the case - I don't think we were seeking agreement, especially from him. We were "hinting" to something that we had hoped might spawn some discussion. To me a "discussion" is where people seek to learn, understand through a process of asking questions, rephrasing information and repeating it (I dunno, call me stupid for thinking a discussion could be had) not by attacking or dismissing it as drivel (which is what Moebius has done).

Anyway, when we fail to achieve understanding through dialog & when the very foundation of the meaning of words is twisted, or the application of simple concepts is clearly wrong, then we are stuck with the result of threads like this.

For the record, I do "listen" to others - I understand their positions (Doesn't mean I'll agree with them tho). I do not think I am superior to anyone, I may be better educated, I may take the time to read and comprehend what is being said before I fire off replys. I may try to educate those around me so we can better understand each other, but superior - no. not me, not at all - anyone who knows me knows otherwise.

Oh... Let me give 1 more example of my frustration...

Im gonna pick on you JohnJohn, I am trying very hard not to come across as superior - please try to listen to what I am trying to say. My issue is with misreading and misunderstanding written language, thus leading to inaccurate assumptions that form the basis of a reply.

@JohnJohn, you concluded your post with:

You are claiming our venture is in a "crowded space"

What space might you think this venture is in?

How do you arrive at the conclusion we are in a "crowded space"?

Didn't we say the venture was an "Escort Review Search Engine"?

How many other Escort Review Search Engines that search multiple sites do you know of?

Here are my suspicions:

You have misread something and are lumping the venture in with either:
A) escort directories
B) escort review sites
C) websites with escort advertising
D) search engines

None of which is the space we address.

We define our space as "Adult Entertainment Review Search Engine" (like google). You would be close if you guessed "search engines" but, since this is a specialized search engine, it stands to logic that it would as good or possibly superior for a specific type of search task since it is optimized to execute that task as efficiently as possible.

Therefore, in the space of "Adult Entertainment Review Search Engine" that crawl many sites, according to my research, there are currently no competitors (I will admit there are some attempts out there, and a couple that search advertisiments from CL and BP) - but none yet that crawl and index reviews from more that 3 sites.

I welcome and am open to PM's with links to sites that fit the definition of what I am describing.

Now... I'm gonna pick on you.

How could you misunderstand us?

We have always said the venture was in the "escort review search engine" space.

There is really only 2 explainations:

1) Either you don't know what an escort review search engine is

2) You chose to skim read the post - as a consequense of skimming, you lacked the full comprehension of our statements, thus leading to your mistakenly confusing the venture with something else and making your statement that comes across as snide & superior, when in reality, you are the one who is originally mistaken.

I tried to be gentle, I apologize if I came across as harsh, I am trying desperately to illuminate the point that much of the antagonism lies with the failure to read, comprehend and the process of discussion to seek understanding (not necessarily agreement).

Peace - ALEX

Alex - you seem to be a reasonably intelligent individual whose commentary is worthy of consideration. If that were not the case, it would be easy to dismiss your words. However, I would appreciate your giving others the same consideration. As matter of fact, I hold a Masters in Bus. Admin, with a undergrad major in Marketing. Further, I have over 20 years of senior level, practical business experience (my area of specialization is turnaround change.) Hence, I think I have a little knowledge in the area of basic business principles.

As I stated in an earlier post (and not the first time I have made such a claim) - ...you and Christine have a business model that works for you. For that, you are to be commended." So how do you jump from that statement to your assessment to I / we possess any flagrant animosity for how you choose to operate your hobby?

You further cry foul that we are not agreeing with your point of view and and our statements are based on incorrect misinterpretations of your written words. If memory serves, you have made this statement before. As I am sure you know, in any business communication, - responsiblity for conveyance of a message lies with the sender, not the receiver. The best the sender can hope for is an audience that is attentive to the communication. If we have misinterpretted, then clearly we have been attentive enough to misinterpret. Please cite specific examples.

With respect to this nebulous well funded business endeavor, - would the research for said venture be based on qualitative or quantitative practices? I am not familiar with a reseach methodology that patently insults or tells the target market (or any subset of the target market) they are wrong. Same holds true for effective market feedback. Interesting approach.

I note that you state, "It seems so plain and simple to me, and yet the same small group always cry foul. I am tired of trying to teach when there is no desire to reach a basic level of understanding - that doesn't mean we have to agree.""
If you don't see why anyone reading such a statement would not react favorably, then please look up condescending, irritating, and arrogant. As for me, I am glad that we do not have to agree as I do not agree with this very statement. No one is asking you to "teach", we just do not agree with the very premise of this venture. You are coming across as having a hissy fit that we do not agree with you.

Lastly - you state it is easier for me/us to bash things we simply do not understand. Think about this for a sec, how is that statement any different than the one you just made? Worse, your tone and demeanor take direct aim at our intelligence or lack thereof as you perceive it. And it is on this point, and this point only, that you have my ire up.

With no innuendo and hopefully taken straight up - You are better than this Alex.

PS - To all, yep, I am still not on topic- but I find this exchange more interesting than some questionable across the bow shot by an alleged provider who has not bothered to comment on any post within the topic created.