That's pretty comprehensive High Roller.

I do agree that If, for example, someone is writing a review and stating that a girl gives a pse and at the same time the review says that she doesn't give bbbj's...then it's time to better clarify what a PSE is... (and don't give me bullshit like "Well, I've seen porn that shows a chick blowin' a dude wearing a condom"...that's not what we're talking about.)

Your definition is what I pretty much envision when I think of the phrase. I think that if "pse" is overused in these reviews, it could really fuck with the real pse girls who go all out for us. If you type in "pse", it always helps to clarify what you mean by it - some of these definitions are way too open to interpretation for my taste.

I've pretty much given up on seeing girls who advertise PSE unless they have some reviews to back them up. It seems like most of the time, providers advertise PSE so that they can charge you an extra hundred bucks an hour and then they end up giving you the same service that they would have anyway. I like HighRoller's attempt at an all-encompassing definition and maybe it will help to bring a bit of order to things. As it stands right now, you are better off going with a provider that you know is a bit on the wild side and then hoping that you get high mileage out of her.

While it isn't true one hundred percent of the time, if you are confident enough to tell a provider what you want and you tell her in the right way, you will probably get it. Of course, if you are looking for a PSE-type time from a girl who only offers a CBJ, you are probably barking up the wrong tree.

I would also think the above was offered and strap on play, bondage, fetish and even two guys. Hell I even offer a discount if you bring a friend lol! I have seen girls advertise pse and don't do cim or greek! How is that a porn star experience?? Everyone is different I guess, but why pay more for a pse when most girls gfe includes bbbj and cim??

I couldn't agree with you more London. I've never tried a threesome with another guy in the mix but I do find myself thinking about it occassionally. I have a feeling that I would get totally weirded out but I sure would love to be in a girl's ass while someone else was fucking her cunt. That would be like watching a porno with me as the star. I'd also love to watch a guy blasting his load in a girl's mouth and having her play with it while I fucked her to completion. Perhaps I've said too much! Do you frequently have MMF sessions and if so do you find that guys with no homosexual tendencies still have fun? Do alot of the guys go because they have fantasies like mine only to end up limp when it comes to actually going through with it? Do you ever provide the "other" guy for these sessions? Thanks....getting hard thinking about it!

Usually when I do a two guy session there is very little DP. They like the idea of me doing one thing, while the other is doing another. I I also like the idea of four man hands, two man tongues, and two well you get the point. I may be a provider but I don't talk like a whore so you must excuse me while in public hehe. I enjoy all threesomes but moreso with two guys.

I can see that. I'd like to watch you doing one thing while i was doing another! Sounds like you are a definite PSE. Have you ever done DP or is that not your thing?

I can see that. I'd like to watch you doing one thing while i was doing another! Sounds like you are a definite PSE. Have you ever done DP or is that not your thing?

No I've done it but it is not very entertaining for most men. As you said, they tend to get a little freaked out when they can actually feel the other moving around in either canal lol.

I think we should also touch on High Roller's comment about one girl not being able to deliver both types of dates..that's ludicrious! It is afterall a FANTASY, in which you do get what you pay for so "most" ladies can do both. Why charge more for pse? Let's think about this...ever see a used up tire after a long trip? Enough said. Just because we may really enjoy something does not mean we want to be "forced" or "expected" to do it with each and every client, or every single date. I don't do greek with my BF every single time because I happen to like my insides to stay on the inside lol. Same story here..we charge more for it because we CAN! Not every guy we meet wants those extras so having one rate that is high to cover the extra wear and tear would likely be too high for those who simply want bbbj, daty, kissing, and one pop. My pse rate is $500 and that is a bit extreme for a one hour gfe guy who is not worried about such things. If I only charged my gfe rate but offered greek, every low baller under the sun would be lining up to get it..even if he did not even want it in the first place. It's like advertising an all you can eat buffet for a cheap rate and expecting only 2 out of 10 to eat just the salad lol.

I agree although I'm not sure whether bondage and two guys are inherently a part of a PSE. If we go down that route then we have to include anything that we've seen in the movies which opens up a whole other can of worms. I mean, just because certain guys get urinated on in the movies doesn't mean that a PSE should include it. Under that scenario, I'd imagine that the provider could advertise as a PSE with bondage and golden showers included! My feeling, as I believe I stated in my previous post, is that a PSE should definitely be more than a PSE. I think we are working in the right direction and that some day soon we'll have a thorough definition of this currently poorly defined acronym. Sounds like you offer a pretty interesting PSE and GFE for that matter : =)

I stand corrected London. I suppose there are some girls who can provide both services but my feeling would still be that if you have to pay extra for it then it probably means that the girl doesn't like providing the service and therefore it probably isn't worth partaking in because she will probably provide an uninspired time. I understand where you are coming from but I personally only want to Greek someone who wants to be Greeked.

Again you are "assuming" that just because she charges more "implies" that she does not enjoy it. I happen to enjoy sky diving but can't afford to do it everyday and the risk of dying is higher the more I partake...same with any activity in the hobby. I don't know how much medical knowledge you have concerning the human body, especially the anal region but go take a look at some worn out, greek. porn stars after one too many sessions, and let me know if you would put you **** anywhere near that thing lol. That part of the body was NOT meant to be rode hard over and over again, which is why the extra cost is essential. Like I said before, if a guy knows he can get it for cheap, he is not too worried about how much destruction or abuse he or anyone else has put on the area. We have to care about our health and our bodies for the future, not just for the hour or two that you guys are paying us for. I don't charge more for strap on play because it is not putting wear and tear on MY body..greek is! I don't want to have to go in for surgery at 27 to get uhhhh "things" removed because I was stupid enough to let 10 guys bang me there in one week. Getting my point now? Some girls may not really like it I will give you that, but others truly enjoy it, but know that it is a very sensitive area that should not be over used lol. I happen to know some ex porn stars who have to wear diapers now because they were not smart enough to take precautions lol. GROSS!

I've come across many providers who advertise GFE and who only do CBJ which I don't think is right. Those who want to offer a CBJ with a GFE should be advertising a safe GFE. I agree with the above PSE definition although I don't know whether hair pulling or spanking is a necessity as that could be construed to be an abusive activity.

I am glad to see this post about PSE definitions, and I'll tell you why:

I used to advertise "Where GFE meets PSE...and Everything in Between". I kept getting calls from guys, most of them from out of town, but many local who had seen agencies, and many of the out of towners had been to massage parlors. They would explicitly ask if I did bareback. "uh, NO!" "Well, you advertise PSE!" So I took it off my adverts.

Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that PSE meant no protection, and certainly not GFE, but some of these guys....

I agree with High_Roller in his assessment of PSE, though.

I don't do Greek on the first date, as there is a trust issue, and I do not permit facials (it's just my thing; can't stand it). Everything else, I'm open to during my dates. My reviews pretty much speak for themselves as far as GFE/PSE. I've never had any complaints (that I'm aware of, anyway). I've been told by more than one client that they thought they were in a porn movie, hence my original tag line.

Now, I've never imagined charging extra for Greek or "PSE", as down here, it just wouldn't fly, although I know of many escorts who do charge extra for Greek. I don't know if they get it with all the gals who offer it without an upcharge, though. But I want to create a fantasy for you, and if that included Greek, tugging my hair, or LIGHTLY spanking me, then so be it (as long as you respect my limits and my comfort threshold).

I agree with Billy, however, in that communication is KEY to getting what you desire, or finding out if your gal is up to your playtime challenge.

Everyone is different and YMMV applies in all cases. I tend to agree with the above definitions. I think that a PSE should definitely include a BBBJ and I really think a GFE should to. I think HardAsSteel offered a good compromise solution when he said that those who offer a PSE or GFE service without including BBBJ should call it a "safe GFE/PSE". While there are bait and switch specialists everywhere who don't do what they say they will, I think there are also a lot of good providers who disappoint hobbyists because of misunderstandings and for that reason I think this thread is a good one.

While acronyms are certainly important for the definitions of GFE and PSE I would add that a lot of this also has to do with a general attitude or chemistry. A GFE should be someone who really enjoys making out with you, kissing and exploring. The whole time should feel like a date with a girl that you are really into and the provider should feel the same way. For that reason, I think many providers who advertise GFE often run into trouble because it is almost certain that they will not be able to "get into" many of the hobbyists that they see.

The PSE is all about dirty no holds barred sex. The provider should enjoy fucking and shouldn't be afraid to tell you so. I picture a woman screaming "fuck me harder" and "slap my ass" while she is being fucked like a dirty porn star.

I agree completely.

I just read this: http://www.naughtyreviews.com/u/ian/blog/the-pse on the blog and I think it is an interesting and somewhat humorous addition to the discussion. Thoughts?

I agree with most of what he's saying there except for his definition of a GFE when he says that it would be easy for a woman to act like a girlfriend since she's been one in the past...I don't think it's easy for providers to offer a real GFE to everyone because you can't fake chemistry and you can't kiss someone like you really like them when you don't. I agree with the rest though--especially the reference to porn influencing what we expect from sex.

I agree with you SpinnerLvr. I really admire providers who are able to put themselves into character and actually convince me that they are my dream girlfriend for an hour--the truth is that few are actually able to do it and I can understand why. It must be especially difficult for them to do it with first time clients.

i think when a girl advertises gfe service, that she's probably not concerned about meeting her client's expectations.

because like the previous posters have mentioned, its really impossible to fake the chemistry needed for a truly gfe experience.

i dont think that gfe should ever appear on a menu of services. .. it's an experience that happens of its own accord, not something that can be contrived. .. thats actually what makes it a girlfriend experience.

the only acronym that i ever guarentee is ymmv... not only is it honest and realistic, it's legal.

Your way is probably the safest way to avoid any disappointment on the part of the hobbyist. On the other hand, a lot of hobbyists will only see GFE providers but most of us understand that there is always a certain amount of YMMV involved. Perhaps we need a new term like "chance of GFE if we hit it off" which could be shortened to "COGFEIWHIO"...then again I think I'm just complicating things further.

If a hobbyist is clean and respectful, one would assume that a GFE provider would at least allow DFK and DATY whether there was any chemistry or not.

i've heard that pimped girls wont let a guy daty or dfk
i think its true

I'm not saying you aren't right, but why would a pimp care of his providers were doing DATY and DFK? In my experience the providers who are in it solely to make a few bucks and then get out are most likely to deny DATY and DFK. Also, the providers who don't charge much usually won't allow it either which is understandable IMO.

their prices are low cuz they living in the PIMPdom and as a rule, no daty or dfk allowed.
i'm not privy to the inner workings of the PIMP mind-set but i guess its because they dont want their b*tches getting any pleasure unless it's from them.

i was surprised when i heard it too but apparently its a pretty well known thing to seasoned hobbyists who want to avoid THAT scene.

although i should think most girls would want to reserve certain activities for their so, regardless of whether or not they are being RULED.
of course, they'll still advertise GFE or PSE services which i agree is ridiculous but calgon doesnt really "take me away" and some things have happened in vegas that didnt actually stay there.

is any product or service marketed truthfully ? is yours ?

ps
it's not ACTUALLY the "nutty" that makes me delicious, it's the honey dust i coat myself with (SHHH)

Well, as if we didn't have enough reasons to avoid "pimped" girls already. I figured these girls didn't kiss or allow DATY because they hated their jobs and put out as little as possible. I try and avoid these types of situations like the plague because I try to do my best to avoid contributing to the mistreatment of women and organized crime in general.

PS--yummy honey dust--I thought that was a thing of the past.

Unfortunately acronyms like "PSE" and "GFE" are abused sometimes by the same providers whose bread and butter is the bait and switch. If something sounds too good to be true it probably is so if a girl is advertising a GFE for 100 bucks an hour steer well clear. For me, GFE= DFK, DATY, BBBJ with a smile and PSE= DFK, DATY, BBBJCIM/COF, GREEK, with a dirty smile...

married long ?

doesnt really matter how you define it if they aren't interested in being accurate or honest.

doesnt really matter how you define it if they aren't interested in being accurate or honest.