Hey Sanchez,

The first thing to remember about MP's is that no two are the same and sometimes even individual providers within the same establishment will offer completely different services. About the only thing that's standard in all of them is that you will have to pay a door fee to the madam/mamasan for a basic massage which sometimes does and sometimes doesn't include a hand release. Rates, as I'm sure you already know, start at about 40 bucks for a half an hour massage. I've never been to St. Louis but I would imagine that it's the same as everywhere else in that you'll have to feel out the situation as you go and there is also a lot of YMMV involved.

When you are showed to the room, in many places the girls will ask if you have been to the place before and which girl you have seen. If they ask you this, it generally means that extras are going to be on the table because what they are actually doing is screening you to make sure that you aren't LE. Make sure that you answer in the affirmative (I know it's a lie, but only white one and its for the right reasons) and if you know the name of a specific girl, make sure to mention it. If she doesn't ask you these questions, no need to worry, just continue to roll with the punches.

She may ask what you want when she starts rubbing you and if she does, I usually start off by asking if she will rub me with her clothes off. The "tip" for this varies greatly but a good starting point for each "extra" is about 50% of what you paid at the door. If she agrees to take her clothes off you can either lay down and enjoy the initial massage or ask her straight up if she offers any other "extras" and how much they will cost.

If she turned down the nude option, chances are that she won't be a super high-mileage provider but you never know. Gauge how she rubs you and if she spends a lot of time "accidentally" rubbing the boys, she may just be testing you a bit. On the flip, ask her again for more extras and see what happens. I personally don't engage in FS with MP providers as I find you can have a lot more fun for less or the same amount of money from a regular provider. If it costs you an extra 20 for topless plus 20 for bottomless and then 100 for FS you can see how it might not be the best deal.

I hope I've been able to answer your question. There may be some other people on the forum with more specific details to help you out.

I'd say you nailed the procedure on that one DingDong and the prices at least where I'm from are about right as well. My own advice would be that MP's seem to be a big target of LE and you should know that you run a higher risk of getting busted when you frequent them. The odds aren't as bad as picking up an SW but they are worse than hooking up with a known agency or independent. My other piece of advice would be to simply be confident and ask if she offers extras as soon as you've gotten comfortable. If you wait for the flip, then you miss out on 20 minutes of a naked woman and the chance of being able to rub her while she rubs your back.

First Time Poster here.

RockHard & DingDong have both given great advice.

One small note I would like to add.
If you’re going to go to a MP make sure it's been in business for a decent amount of time." 3 to 5 years" These MP's are donating the police to stay away from their successful businesses.
Also if you gain a the trust of the staff “Girls. The happy end you’re looking for will become a reality.

When the provider comes in, great her with a hug and squeeze her ass. If she doesn't tense up or react aggressively there are definitely extras available, and she'll have a clue you are interested. If she scolds you playfully things may still be OK, if however she pushes you away and says we aren't that kind of place... Well then you have your answer.

In some MPs the girls will wait for you to make the first move (and sometimes you'll have to be pretty aggressive) this seems to be because they are afraid of LE. Once you act overtly sexual, they feel confident you aren't LE and things can progress.

Good luck!

That's an excellent piece of advice. If the place has been in business without being busted for that long then you have to assume that they are somehow protect from LE. You're also right about gaining the trust of the girls and sometimes it is better to take it easy the first time and not push the limits.

Beachboy, it sounds like you know what you are doing and I'm sure that you are respectful when you hug her and grab her ass but I'm not sure that I'd recommend this to a newbie. The reason I say this is that if you grab the wrong girl's ass in the wrong place you could get into a lot of trouble. You probably already know how to tell which places will offer what service and therefore you are probably already pretty sure what the reaction will be when you grab her ass. Someone just starting out should probably be a bit more careful to avoid being charged with sexual assault. I do agree with you though about the overall need for confidence when attempting to get the highest mileage at AMPs.

I concur. It's true that you should be confident and upfront about wanting extras but grabbing her ass right from the get go could get you into big problems if it's with the wrong provider--just asking is probably a better strategy.

There seems to be a type of client who likes the game, who enjoys the hunt, who's all about "how much can I get out of this?"

For the ones who don't want to be pushy, it's the best idea to see independents. Usually they have a fixed (high) rate, they won't play the annoying game of "$20 more if I take this off", they stick to their boundaries and usually communicate those in their advertising.

It might take a little reading between the lines, but some have websites where they clearly state what they do and what not.
Or just find a review. Massage providers aren't as much reviewed as escorts are, so if you try somebody who's relatively new to the area she might be great even if she doesn't have a review.

Further advantages: hardly any risk of LE, you don't have to ask yourself whether you encourage modern slavery, you don't have to be the pushy guy.

Personally, I hate the stupid games. I think it's silly. I do what I enjoy and what I know I'm good at, and I make sure the guys understand what they are getting.

Hey I'm a newbie too....had question about safety:

1) How safe are most of these girls...STDs?

2) if this is public knowledge...how come the cops can't bust them? How can you tell the MP won't be busted? That's my biggest fear...getting caught w/ my pants down.

In general I'd say the girls are just as safe as civie girls and actually most of the times even more so as their working days would be numbered if they got an STD. If you are worried, just make sure to use a cover and everything will be fine.

As for your second question, I've never heard of a hobbyist getting busted at an AMP, just the providers. Sure there's a small chance of something happening but I don't even think it warrants worrying about it. Just make sure to be cautious and if something doesn't smell right, calmly get up and leave or simply don't push for extras.

There'd been several AMP busts in Florida where they arrested the guys, too. They pretty much just stormed the places, trying to catch people "in the act". Nothing ever comes out of it, they have to let the guys go soon, but they try deterrence this way.

To experience anything good in life one has to take a certain amount of risk. I think different people have different thresholds of risk that they are willing to put up with. My advice is to decide whether the risk of getting caught is worth it to you...if it is, then go for it. I would say that the chances of getting busted by LE or catching an STD are so minimal that the benefit far outweighs the risk. You might feel differently. If you ask for my advice, I say "GO FOR IT"!

Wow. What great tips. I tried an AMP for the first time today, and I thought I was letting her know I was interested, but I failed miserably. I was going to post a request for info, but you guys have done a great job!!

I do have one question, though. Do you just pay for the massage up front and then tip if you are given the extras, or do you tip in advance?

I would really like to enjoy a nice experience at one of these places, and I was sure this was one where i could. Is it worth it to try there again and be more direct about it? When I hinted at the end, it didn't seem to go well.

Should we be worried that the moniker he chose was the call sign for an LAPD car in a tv show? I'm just saying ...

Most of the time cops don't bother busting AMP's anymore because its not worth the time it takes to run an investigation or they've been popped so many times they give up because they aren't going anywhere.
Very Unlikely you'll catch and STD from a massage parlor gal unless you're going bbfs every single time.

I agree, I think upselling is just stupid.
Keeping a set rate & setting boundaries is much easier than playing games.
I for one love being indy, I like taking it slow and giving a little extra time when I can .

I noticed that too.
But NP.
Usually at an established business setting you pay up front then tip after in the room.
I advise to never tip up front, the mamasen or receptionist likely takes it for themselves.
The masseuse doesn't know about it then you're SOL.
(Its happened to me)

I really dislike being grabbed from the get go its rude, I'm like an oven. Gotta let it preheat lol

Wow. People really get hung up on the whole LE thing, don't they?

If it makes you feel better, it's also my first name, so it's an easy to remember username. I'm married, and I don't like to keep a written record of certain websites in case she ever gets curious and decides to find out what each one is.

It's a good thing I didn't choose Columbo, Magnum, or anything else that could be related! I'd have to be pretty stupid to be in LE and actually do something like that...

Since you are starting out - yes, people get hung up on the whole LE thing. You may eventually wish to see a provider and contact someone where your board handle will be of interest. Most ladies are skittish to the point of ignoring your contact just because of a board handle, reference to a paid act for money, etc. I understand a board handle has little impact on AMP visiting, but it pays to think ahead in this endeavor. So take the comment as either a suggestion that may later help you or as constructive criticism if you are LE. BUT - dial down the sarcasm as you are new here, assuming you might want some future input.

I think it would help you to read the thread on page 3
Tricks of a amp. And read what Coyote wrote.

yeah... I guess I was just taken aback at that comment. I can chill out pretty easily. Been doing some more research, and I'm thankful there are a few guides to help me find a suitable place. Thanks for the post.... If changing my username would be helpful so as to not raise any false alarms, I can be open to that. It will just have to be one I don't use elsewhere. Although now that I think about it, I use this name on several adult websites. I always thought of
it as my own little joke and didn't see how it could be misconstrued.

Thanks. Worth reading, I'm sure!

Anyone reasonable won't care about the username but it might cause some ladies to get paranoid. I remember a guy posting awhile back either on this board or somewhere else with a name like LEO123 or something like that. You'd have to assume the cops would be smarter but you can't blame people for being paranoid.

You never know what will make a lady paranoid. With some, the slightest implication that something just doesn't feel right will end the conversation. I've been hung up on in mid-sentence a couple times and never figured out why. I was saying the same things I've said to a dozen others. And, in case anyone's wondering, I never discuss services or money over the phone. Just something that gave them a bad vibe. So I can see why some might get a bad vibe from a handle relating to LE.

i once had one blow me off because my cellphone slipped out of my hand while i was walking up to the door.
some of them are nuts more than the usual accepted level of crazy. all you can do is warn the guys and move on