Well, the most important thing to do before giving out your personal information is knowing who you are talking to. I guess it goes without saying that you should check reviews and you should Google the provider's phone number to see what else comes up. You can also PM the reviewer to ask them any questions that aren't answered by the review and just to make sure whether the review is real or not. If the provider doesn't have any reviews, and I can't find any information about them anywhere, then I'm obviously going to be more reluctant to provide them with my personal info. One of the options for guys that don't want to give out their personal info is to join Date Check or P411 although I've found that sometimes even using those verification methods, the providers still want more. Personally, if the provider has a website and she's been around for a bit of time, I consider it to be a plus that she's screening me and I suspect those who don't. I mean what kind of a provider would not do any type of screening whatsoever (LE).

This is pretty good advice IMHO.

Naughty Reviews and other sites exist specifically for the purpose of finding and getting quality information on the providers in our area. it's important that we are able to trust these sites so that we could be less apprehensive about giving a particular girl our information.

Also, for you newbies, it's relatively common practice these days for a client to give a certain amount of info to a provider. So be prepared to do so - it's actually often a sign of her professionalism. But do your homework on her before you give her a chance to do homework on you

Good advice. Don't be too concerned about giving up the info if you've already done your research. And don't expect to meet with a professional provider before you have assured her that you are some psychopath. And I almost forgot, if you are a newbie, check out the tips they have on the site: http://www.naughtyreviews.com/faq/new-to-the-hobby

thank you so much for the ideas, suggestions and links.

Here are some of my final thoughts...

Skittish to give a girl that much info?
Thats not our fault, it does not make us crazy or reckless. You have two options, they both require effort.

1) Do more research on your desired provider to get comfortable enough to give her that info. Look up her ads, look up her domain name, ask for her reviews, ask her for references (yes, it happens), ask what boards she is active on, ask where her reviews are (sometimes the info is out there, just not where you are looking) google her email address, phone number and URL. Keep digging until you are either...
-- A) Satisfied - Give her the info she needs & have fun
-- B) Decide its time to change girls and go with someone else with more history.

2) Find someone else who doesn't care so much about her safety and take your chances - odds are, if she doesn't care enough about her safety, why the hell would she give a shit about yours. (and WHEN she is busted - oh, and she WILL get busted, you can worry that maybe she had just enough info on you to lead LE right to your door).

Happy Hobbying Guys

That just about sums it up. If I were a provider I'd put that in the FAQ section of my site under "I feel uncomfortable providing the requested screening information, what should I do?"

IMO Providers asking for personal information is a power game. How far will you go to see them? Sooner or later the information will be compromised. A jealous boy friend (or girl friend) will dump the providers hard drive and start making touble. Anybody that gets in a twist with LE will trade everything they have for freedom. Even a lost provider cell phone can be a problem. Once you put your info out there, it is out there. You can't get it back.

There are lots of great ladies that will see a hobbyist without playing 20 questions. Check reviews on sites like this one. Be polite on the phone. Show up for your date clean, sober and with the appropriate envelope. You will have fun.

Like I said, IMO. Just another point of view.

Mr. Blake, you are entitled to your opinion, and Im trying to understand your position.

I'm most concerned with blanket statements and generalizations.

Nearly every provider we know that asks for personal info does so because the hobbyist is new and lacks a hobby history. (Maybe some do it as a power game as you suggest) but in our experience, we do it to make certain no harm will come to us - Ted Bundy was a "nice guy", so ladies who rely only on their "gut" are in grave danger to these predators.

Again, the 20 questions game is usually reserved only for gents who lack a verifiable hobby history. If you have a hobby history (and YOU DO Mr. Blake) - few ladies should require much more personal info from you.

The statement that troubles me most is...

You are suggesting well reviewed ladies will see a hobbyist with NO hobby history (when you, yourself in fact have a decent verifiable hobby history).

If such ladies saw gentlemen with NO VERIFIABLE hobby history, they are putting themselves at huge risk.

Your avocation is akin to saying "keep shopping around until you find a girl who does not value her safety"

You can't possibly mean this - do you???

I believe that verification builds a certain level of rapport, which is fairly important for satisfying encounters.

I see where you are coming from but you could build the same rapport by simply having a conversation couldn't you?

I believe Ted Bundy was a rather charismatic conversationalist.

Flirty (may I call you by your first name?), you have to let go of the Ted Bundy thing. It's not healthy.

I'm old school on the privacy issue. I've seen provider forms requesting a work phone number that they can call for verification. For me things like that are way over the top. I would never register on roomservice, datecheck or any of those verification sites.

I'm very willing to do whatever I can to put a new "date" at ease. I'll talk on the phone about myself a bit, what I do, my experiences with the hobby. I enjoy the hobby and I love the ladies. I think many of them pick up on that very quickly.

The most important thing for anyone in the hobby is to be very clear in their own mind about their personal comfort zone. Hobbiest and provider alike, don't allow anyone to force you outside those boundries, and if someone tries, walk away or send them packing, as the case may be.

Mr Blake,

I frankly don't care what school you went to. When it comes to my personal safety, I will NOT bargain. I am entitled, its a free country. Please respect this of me.

I am happy that you are willing to put your dates at ease. Bravo for you!

My insistence of requiring personal information from newbees is NOT to be construed as a personal attack on you.

I clearly stated that you (a person with a verifiable hobby history) these requirements would not apply - yet you insist on defending something for some reason?

Such a staunch defense leaves me to wonder... humm.

That said, my husband and I will actively encourage other providers to take similar measures with respect to protecting themselves.

And whether they'll admit to it or not, your technique is just as successful as others. I find a lot of providers don't do much screening after you've talked to them and they realize you aren't a psychopath. That's not to say that I won't provider screening info because I understand why many require it I just mean to say that it's something that oftentimes is not required of me. When you read this and other boards, you get the feeling that it is impossible to hobby without screening which is simply not the case. I think its a sign that there are a lot of providers on these boards trying to shift the rules of the game in their favor...and hey, if all else fails and you don't want to screen...go to an AMP!

Observations from a newbie to this site - yes, I do see where this is a very long (time-wise) thread and yes, common sense is SCREAMING at me to keep my mouth shut. But, I recently returned to the hobby after over a decade hiatus. First observation, the OP started this thread with request for opinions for newbies and asked experienced hobbyists/providers to offer options and somehow this got changed to agree with the "20 questions" methodology of screening or put yourself and the provider at risk. This obviously strikes a tender spot for me - if someone asks for an opinion, accept their response as their opinion.

Newbies, you do NOT have to provide work information, personal information, etc. Mr. Fizzydrink and blakeoboca are right in this. However, understand that you may not get an opportunity to step up to the plate with the lady of your first choice. But, it does not mean that you are putting yourself at any greater risk by seeing a provider that does not ask the 20 questions. Tip - this assumes you have verified reviews, etc and are comfortable the provider is legit, if not - then you ask your questions or better yet, go back and do some more research.

To the original point of the OP, this is just an opnionated suggestion - Find the provider's email or give her a call and request said email. In some cases, the fact that you are calling to get her email so you can send a proper introduction starts the ball rolling towards that mutual comfort zone. In addition, this also helps get over the jitters of what you initially say since so many providers state that you can't say anything regarding money, specific acts, etc (and rightfully so.) Once you have email, explain who you are (if only from a first name basis - doesn't hurt to give out your Board ID either.) Explain you are new, really like what you read, saw or heard and would like to see what you can do to ensure her comfort level so you can set up a meeting. You can also let her know what information is outside of your personal comfort level (blakeofboca was spot on in this respect.) If she responds and says tough s--- to your personal comfort level, move on. If she doesn't respond, move on as well since she just is not comfortable and you will ulitmately not enjoy your encounter as much as you would like. The end goal is to establish a dialogue (doesn't have to be nearly as long as this response) and often the provider may suggest an alternative that is within your comfort zone.

Side note - if she states adamantly no emails, respect that but just say on the phone what your intended to say in the email.

If all else fails and you REALLY want to see the provider but REALLY don't want to give information outside the comfort zone, ask for a date in a public place, example dinner - yes you should pay for her time and most likely will not receive the instant gratification you were seeking, but consider it priming the well for future performance. Different topic - please don't try to negotiate a different rate for her time for dinner, just plain tacky and makes it that much more difficult for the next guy.

Great post and worth the read. Thanks for your even-weighted opinion.

Bravo, Coyote.

That's how I like my guys.

@ Blake, Fizzy, Coyote & JohnJohn,

Thank you gentlemen for your posts, as one of you mentioned this thread has become more a debate about screening - I never intended that.

My original solicitation for opinions was more related to what kinds of research you do in order to become at ease enough with a lady to comply with her request of such info.

We were seeking responses that offered research suggestions hobbyists could implement to become at ease with disclosing personal info (from the perspective of a newbie).

However, some of you felt disclosing personal info was simply not necessary. While you are entitled to your opinion, it may not be true to the topic of the thread, your contribution to this thread was required, and should be considered "off-topic".

If you felt your opinion so important, you could have easily opened another thread instead of hijacking this one

But, I play nice like a lady, and I am willing to accept critique like an adult and I will also vehemently defend my beliefs and my safety.

So, Gentlemen, thank you for your input. Does anyone have anything to share that is relevant to the original request of this thread - Howe can newbies research a provider to become comfortable enough to pass her screening requests that may included divulging personal information?

Thank you

gret replies and 411 all of you thank you much

I thought you just went to Craigslist Casual Encounters.

Im with blake the ones wanting more than my board handles and references simply arent going to be seen by me. once i meet them i decide how much personal info to give up.
i have missed out on some great girls but on the other hand I've also never gotten more then a cpl awkward phone calls, so it evens out.

as too your question from the view point of the guy who's been around there simply isn't a scenario were mere "research" is going to move us into some magic comfort zone that allows me to give up such things as a drivers license number, my bosses name and phone number, etc.

before you say I'm exaggerating there was a girl named Asherah a few years ago who actually had the stones to ask for those AFTER my other references went through. The whole conversation we had is something that still sends me into fits of laughter when i think about how indignant she was when i told her "sorry that's not happening" and hung up. i still have the emails full out outrage she sent me afterwards.

@Moebius,

WOW! We would have to agree. We don't think that an honorable provider would need to posess your drivers license number or your bosses contact info.

But, there must be information that a hobbyist can offer to verify he is not a threat.

You guys float around in nearly 100% anonimity and ambiguity (and we hear so many ladies get themselves into all sorts of trouble primarily because the fail to verify their client).

Yet, if you do your research, you CAN verify if a provider represents any threat to you.

If anyone reading this is not sure HOW to do this, please, re-read the above thread.

Christine there are ladies out there that know more about me then i do, however ive known them for a long long time and trust them implicitly. i dont know what personal info i would be willing to pass on for an initial meeting other than maybe my real name and home phone number (every telemarketer in the world has it already so im not giving up much there). i would be curious to know what do you think we should find acceptable to tell a total stranger?

Ive known at least 15 guys over the years who had their lives devastated after telling the wrong girl the wrong thing. Hell one guy actually had a girl faxing his work because he had made an appt with someone else after he saw her a few times too many. You phoenix guys who have been around may remember him from the xmas parties. needless to say he doesnt come to them anymore.
id rather miss a session then get that kind of grief.

@Moebius,

Excellent case study. The bottom line is the gent gave the info to THE WRONG person. I would happily wager that had he done his research, he would have discovered that she was NOT a trustworthy, professional, honorable provider. NEVER give ANY info to someone whom after doing your research does not have an establish track record of being a professional provider.

Gents - DO YOUR RESEARCH FIRST! Stop thinking with your "little head" and learn to research a provider BEFORE you contact her.

Further, Mr. Moebius, your full real name and a phone number should be more than adequate (at least it is for us). On rare occassion, if the gent lacks any kind of history as a hobbyist, and his name is far too common and his phone is a newly assigned number, we may have to ask for more info -- but we doubt this would apply to you Mr. Moebius.

But, you are right. we've seen some ladies ask for far too much info - please make no mistake, we are not advocating you hand over your license or social security # to a stranger.

But, if a provider requests references, your full name and your phone # - then research her so you can become comfortable to provide said info.

no she was well known if utr she used to get her clients from a list back in the day where she was quite popular. the guy in question was a very seasoned hobbiest. in fact when it happened to him i realized it could happen to anyone and drastically changed the way i went about things.
hell i had even seen the lady in question myself, luckily we didnt really click so i never bothered to repeat.

Even seasoned hobbyists get caught up in the "moment", they drop their guard and fail to do their research to properly protect themselves.

Thats why we suggest to plan and book your appointments with ample lead time (preferrably days in advance). Anything less is akin to gambling.

Research a provider, read her reviews, contact the review authors. Do a google search on her phone number, email address, website address. Compare the info, and whenever something twinges your gut - DO NOT MAKE AN EXCEPTION - EVER!

also tell the girl whether or not she can or is allowed to call you ever again, I have found this to be important as few girls I had been with one did call me a few times as though she was telemarketing or interested further in me. But after my Girlfriend talked to her she did not stop calling till she heard it from me, Rookie move on her part but I was broke up at the the time as she chit chat about relationships and asked my status. So now I just say "do not call me I will call you---K?" get the head to nod so you know she understands!

Also on point, she has your name and number from the unblocked call, I treat the call as though it is a reg escort date at first. So I am not in the loop for soliciting or ?? The more paranoid she is the more she is probably genuine. However she needs nothing more then your real name and tele and city to check you out. She probably has a fake or stage name so all you can do is hope she has reviews. I am not messing with any girl unless she has at least 2 different reviews and preferably a time apart as that way it does not seem like a new profile.
Unless it is Vegas and she is on the Casino floor.... and all I say is your a COP and you are trying to bust me right...LOL?
she will then ask you if you are? I say no of course and if I were not how much does something like this cost anyways if I were too?
Then make sure you lock up your money and have a decent size tip, if you do tip--- as you get no change NEVER!!
Or the famous I will be coming back sweetie.... Business is business the only reason she is with you is for the money keep that in mind when she tries the upsale or tip bump at the end. Do not let someone under false pretense guilt or use that as an instrument for for more money. Unless of course you felt she gave you a great time and you will call or see her again, (always your choice) But once you pay a certain amount it is always expected which is a ONE WAY street of course.

That's great advice and it's something I've experienced. It's really alarming to get a call from a provider when you weren't expecting one. It messes with your sense of control over the situation. Telemarketing is an excellent comparison. Don't call me, I'll call you.

I think I'll start a separate thread about this because I'm interested in other peoples opinions on the subject.

OK there is alot of good advise on hear, but say this is the only place you are a member of and there is no won on hear with very many reviews you google there number and it is a cell phone number you get no info you might see an add on backpage or craigs list. but you want to see them how would you no by the phone conversation if it was L.E or not and what is something you could ask them that LE would have to anwser that would tell you not to go?

Best on your reply, I am assuming you have exhausted all the research ideas previously posted in this thread. No tsure I can add more but just in case - don't underestimate the benefit of personal reference:

PM a hobbyist you know is in that area, introduce yourself and ask for input. I am sure this varies greatly by location and hobbyists, but I was surprised at the helpful input I received when I returned to the hobby.

Controversial, but I have also asked other providers, but only after I have gotten to know them and have somewhat an established relationship. I know there are horror stories from some that have gone down this path, but for those that think no provider can be trusted - this is exactly how I got started. I met a lady in a social setting, we developed a sense of each other, had fun and resulted in a pretty good friendship, and yes I compensated her for the getting to know me time. I no longer see her in the physical sense, but do see her outside of normal hobby activities. So say what you will, it worked for me.

IMO, either party asking questions or making comments about specific acts or specific acts for renumeration is idiotic and the call should be terminated immediately. Other than that, I personally am not aware of any way of knowing for sure about LE.

Ya plays the game, ya takes yer chances. Just like the rest of us.

I hear ya but i see ladys who have been on b.p or c.l for months and they are on there about everyday but no reviews
and again no help on google numbers.
so could i no l.e could put adds on there but can they put whatever they want I.E pictures of breast or full nudity
or write what ever they want to get you there or do they have some boundries.