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Looks or Performance?
July 4, 2009 - 20:34
Over the course of the last few weeks I have had occasion to see a couple of new (for me) providers. One lady was a beauty (five stars) but provided average service (three stars, CBJ, ok mish, but not the best I’ve had). Another lady was very average in the looks department (three stars probably) but an animal in bed (five stars, great BBBJ, incredible action in every position, multiple cups no questions asked). That made me wonder, which way would other hobbyists go? Would you favor the ladies with three star looks that give a five star performance or the five star lookers that give a three star performance?
July 14, 2009 - 11:00
#18
The bell curve is at work here. 80% of all women are, well, average. That would be 3 stars. Check out HungWell's definition of three stars. Nothing wrong with three stars. Another 15% are split between 2 stars and 4 stars. The remaining 5% would be split between 1 star and 5 stars. Out of 100 providers there are, at best, only 2 or 3 that rate five stars in looks. And yet there are a ton of reviews on this site that are rated 4 to 5 stars for looks. Grade inflation man, grade inflation.
The notion that 80% of women are "average" has been gnawing at me since it started and I didn't know why, so I never said anything. However, I think I can put into words why this has been grating me.
First, I disagree, 80% of ALL women are NOT average, further, your distribution, 2.5% are "5 star" makes the combination of a 5+5 (performance and looks) quixotic and impractical. (Yet they seems to be everywhere in this hobby)
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_curve_grading 15% fall above and below the "average" thus 70% of all women would be average (not 80% as you decree).
With this adjustment, the grading for looks might work...
But I don't see this working for performance.
When grading performance, it does not make sense to grade "All Women" since providers are a subset of this group, this group has chosen this type of work for many reasons, but to a degree, one reason they chose this is somewhere in their life they were offered the feedback that enhanced their confidence that their skills were above average. Thus logic stands to reason that Providers (when compared to the general populous) would not rank within the "average" of all women, but perhaps slightly higher. Thus, the bell would have to shift downward toward something more like this:
74% of ladies are average (3 stars) 15% of ladies are 4 stars and 5% = 5 stars. (5% have 2 starts and 1% have 1 star)
If logic bears that ladies with fewer than 3 stars cannot stay in this business for any meaningful period of time, then 80% of women might be average, but with no 1 and 2 star splits as previously suggested.
Further, when grading on performance, one can only compare the performance of 1 person to his "sample set" (all the women you've experienced). Some of you have had more experience with professionals than with civilians, so your sample set may already be skewed toward the higher performing artists that have perfected their craft.
Lastly, the grading system falters as your sample set continues to expand (especially if its only with providers).
It is entirely possible that your first experience with a provider may have been a "once-in-a-lifetime" 5 star experience, then 3 providers later, you have another "once-in-a-lifetime", and-so-on. Each time your bar is set to a new higher standard, thus, the first 5 star gal you rated (as your sample set grows), can no longer remain 5 stars.
Do any of you go back and downgrade your reviews that you made when you were "inexperienced"?
As we've stated before, grading looks and performance is VERY subjective - yet we continue to try to quantify that which cannot be quantified.
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July 14, 2009 - 11:17
#19
The bell curve is at work here. 80% of all women are, well, average. That would be 3 stars. Check out HungWell's definition of three stars. Nothing wrong with three stars. Another 15% are split between 2 stars and 4 stars. The remaining 5% would be split between 1 star and 5 stars. Out of 100 providers there are, at best, only 2 or 3 that rate five stars in looks. And yet there are a ton of reviews on this site that are rated 4 to 5 stars for looks. Grade inflation man, grade inflation.
The notion that 80% of women are "average" has been gnawing at me since it started and I didn't know why, so I never said anything. However, I think I can put into words why this has been grating me.
First, I disagree, 80% of ALL women are NOT average, further, your distribution, 2.5% are "5 star" makes the combination of a 5+5 (performance and looks) quixotic and impractical. (Yet they seems to be everywhere in this hobby)
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_curve_grading 15% fall above and below the "average" thus 70% of all women would be average (not 80% as you decree).
With this adjustment, the grading for looks might work...
But I don't see this working for performance.
When grading performance, it does not make sense to grade "All Women" since providers are a subset of this group, this group has chosen this type of work for many reasons, but to a degree, one reason they chose this is somewhere in their life they were offered the feedback that enhanced their confidence that their skills were above average. Thus logic stands to reason that Providers (when compared to the general populous) would not rank within the "average" of all women, but perhaps slightly higher. Thus, the bell would have to shift downward toward something more like this:
74% of ladies are average (3 stars) 15% of ladies are 4 stars and 5% = 5 stars. (5% have 2 starts and 1% have 1 star)
If logic bears that ladies with fewer than 3 stars cannot stay in this business for any meaningful period of time, then 80% of women might be average, but with no 1 and 2 star splits as previously suggested.
Further, when grading on performance, one can only compare the performance of 1 person to his "sample set" (all the women you've experienced). Some of you have had more experience with professionals than with civilians, so your sample set may already be skewed toward the higher performing artists that have perfected their craft.
Lastly, the grading system falters as your sample set continues to expand (especially if its only with providers).
It is entirely possible that your first experience with a provider may have been a "once-in-a-lifetime" 5 star experience, then 3 providers later, you have another "once-in-a-lifetime", and-so-on. Each time your bar is set to a new higher standard, thus, the first 5 star gal you rated (as your sample set grows), can no longer remain 5 stars.
Do any of you go back and downgrade your reviews that you made when you were "inexperienced"?
As we've stated before, grading looks and performance is VERY subjective - yet we continue to try to quantify that which cannot be quantified.
Nope, but nice try. Blake may be off by a percentage or two but the basic premise is how reviews should work. Part of a review is the rating and the other part is the text. Within that text, other hobbyists can tell whether it was the guys first time and thereby be more critical about his subjective opinion. Nobody can tell anyone else what a 5 star review is but no hobbyist could feasibly have more than one or two such experiences in their life. I'm aware of your opinion of reviews in general so I'm not surprised by your response. Of course reviews are subjective, they are experiences written by individuals who all have different likes and dislikes.
July 14, 2009 - 19:37
#20
Sounds like we are being told to manipulate the bell curve to justify grade inflation. Sorry, I am not rating "All Women". I am rating providers. I don't see including a bunch of fat old ladies from the supermarket to raise provider ratings.
If some 1 and 2 star ladies retire, the average automatically readjusts, the remaining providers are redistributed within the the bell curve, and the bar is raised. Today you're a 4 star, tomorrow a high 3.
To put everything in perspective, check out a lady named Marina at http://www.miamicompanions.com/disclaimer.html. Looks aren't really that hard to quantify. Check out her afternoon rate. She tours but she does not stay in one place long. I missed her last time but I'm watching her schedule. I'm pretty sure when she opens the door I will jizz my pants. According to the HungWell standard, that's 5 stars.
July 14, 2009 - 19:57
#21
Ahem... your words were:
80% of all women are, well, average.
I can only take your words for what they mean. I was not suggesting to "manipulate" the bell curve to adjust for grade -inflation, only its correct application to a group or sub-group.
If you read the definition of the wiki - you'd know that dear.
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July 14, 2009 - 20:05
#22
Alex here...
Lets get back to the topic of the thread.
As I stated earlier, I would prefer both looks and performance - however, if I had 2 choose between the 2 following scenarios:
a) 5 star looks but 3 star performance (based on a 5 star system)
b) 3 star looks but 5 star performance
AND - if my stating that stayin home with my wife is NOT an option, then I'd probably do my research and find an (A) option who could offer me the types of things I enjoy, I am a visual creature and I have turned many "average" lovers into 5-star performers. This applies for who I'd repeat with.
If it were a one-off thing, I'd lean toward (A) but hope I could find a (B) who could really appeal to my certain visual turn-ons.
But thats just me.
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July 15, 2009 - 10:03
#23
Sounds like we are being told to manipulate the bell curve to justify grade inflation. Sorry, I am not rating "All Women". I am rating providers. I don't see including a bunch of fat old ladies from the supermarket to raise provider ratings.
If some 1 and 2 star ladies retire, the average automatically readjusts, the remaining providers are redistributed within the the bell curve, and the bar is raised. Today you're a 4 star, tomorrow a high 3.
To put everything in perspective, check out a lady named Marina at http://www.miamicompanions.com/disclaimer.html. Looks aren't really that hard to quantify. Check out her afternoon rate. She tours but she does not stay in one place long. I missed her last time but I'm watching her schedule. I'm pretty sure when she opens the door I will jizz my pants. According to the HungWell standard, that's 5 stars.
Better look out, I just reviewed my grandma!
I would stick with the three starsand the five star performance. Service is all that matters to me. While looks do motivate me to spend turn loose of my money, service keeps me cumming back for more. Could you pm me with the location details? I love to experience that one for myself.
I'm with monger give me and ok looking woman that just satisfies my every need and really enjoys it. i'm there to full fill my desires , if she is drop dead beautiful and wants to get it over with, total turn off . besides blake every body wants to know were you got that great bbbj with multiples. hell hot chicks are a dime a dozen and over priced
I gotta say I'm with you guys. If I have to choose between the two it's always performance over looks. Also, a girl who looks like a 3 star on the street can very quickly become a 5 star to me if she's a vixen in the sack. Maybe the 3 stars know that to succeed, they have to offer the best service possible because a 3 star provider on the appearance scale who is rushed and doesn't give a shit simply won't last long in this business unless she learns photo shop and changes her phone number every couple of months.
In principle I agree with you guys but the few times I've been with a real 5star looking lady, I haven't given a shit what she did. The entire time I was inside I was just thinking "holy crap, I can't believe I'm fucking this fine piece of ass right now"...
In principle I agree with you guys but the few times I've been with a real 5star looking lady, I haven't given a shit what she did. The entire time I was inside I was just thinking "holy crap, I can't believe I'm fucking this fine piece of ass right now"...
Honestly, I've had this feeling too. But I bet you didn't go to see that supermodel a second time, did you? Your regular is always gonna be the girl that could do those special little things just the way you like 'em. Not necessarily the prettiest gal in town, but she's there just for you...and she knows exactly what you like
I would def go with the 5 star performance over the looks. Looks are so subjective as long as there some kind of attraction that works for me. I have to be with someone that is enjoying the moment also. I've been with a 5 stars on looks and 75% the 5 star service lady usually beats them hands down. I distinctly remember one probably 5-6yrs ago in DC this was when I was some what new(Eros Days). She comes over and it was alright until she realized a new Law & Order was on. She insisted on watching L&O while I was trying to do her doggie. Came so close to just booting her out but I figured I wanted my moneys worth anyways I was done in probably 20 mins. Soon as I was done told her to leave she was pissed I wouldn't let finish watching the program.
I would def go with the 5 star performance over the looks. Looks are so subjective as long as there some kind of attraction that works for me. I have to be with someone that is enjoying the moment also. I've been with a 5 stars on looks and 75% the 5 star service lady usually beats them hands down. I distinctly remember one probably 5-6yrs ago in DC this was when I was some what new(Eros Days). She comes over and it was alright until she realized a new Law & Order was on. She insisted on watching L&O while I was trying to do her doggie. Came so close to just booting her out but I figured I wanted my moneys worth anyways I was done in probably 20 mins. Soon as I was done told her to leave she was pissed I wouldn't let finish watching the program.
LOL, I learned early on to make sure there is no TV in sight. I had the same thing happen to me twice. The girl was watching TV while I DATY...too much.
At the end of the day, gotta be about the performance.
Alex Here...
I say it has to be BOTH!
Maybe I'm just spoiled, but performance w/o looks is sorta empty, yea, you got the rocks off, but it's a step above rosey palm in my book - why hassle?
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I would def go with the 5 star performance over the looks. Looks are so subjective as long as there some kind of attraction that works for me. I have to be with someone that is enjoying the moment also. I've been with a 5 stars on looks and 75% the 5 star service lady usually beats them hands down. I distinctly remember one probably 5-6yrs ago in DC this was when I was some what new(Eros Days). She comes over and it was alright until she realized a new Law & Order was on. She insisted on watching L&O while I was trying to do her doggie. Came so close to just booting her out but I figured I wanted my moneys worth anyways I was done in probably 20 mins. Soon as I was done told her to leave she was pissed I wouldn't let finish watching the program.
LOL, I learned early on to make sure there is no TV in sight. I had the same thing happen to me twice. The girl was watching TV while I DATY...too much.
That's just crazy. Wouldn't every girl want repeat clients? Do they think they just provide access to their body and that's it?
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I would def go with the 5 star performance over the looks. Looks are so subjective as long as there some kind of attraction that works for me. I have to be with someone that is enjoying the moment also. I've been with a 5 stars on looks and 75% the 5 star service lady usually beats them hands down. I distinctly remember one probably 5-6yrs ago in DC this was when I was some what new(Eros Days). She comes over and it was alright until she realized a new Law & Order was on. She insisted on watching L&O while I was trying to do her doggie. Came so close to just booting her out but I figured I wanted my moneys worth anyways I was done in probably 20 mins. Soon as I was done told her to leave she was pissed I wouldn't let finish watching the program.
LOL, I learned early on to make sure there is no TV in sight. I had the same thing happen to me twice. The girl was watching TV while I DATY...too much.
That's just crazy. Wouldn't every girl want repeat clients? Do they think they just provide access to their body and that's it?
Well, not all providers are happy about being providers. For some of them it's a temporary thing to make some cash and get out. I'm sure every hobbyist has more than one similar story about spending time with a provider who just went through the motions. For me the most common is the provider who just lays on her back, spreads her legs, and then closes her eyes and won't look at you until you've popped....I guess that's fine if you just need a release but those are probably the most common negative experiences...I'd say even more than B+S or outright theft.
I don't suppose I can have my cake and eat it too? Performance is obviously important but looks can't be overlooked in my opinion. The visual part is important to me so I can't really even get it up if I don't find the woman attractive. I thought one of the main reasons people hobbied was so that they could have both performance and looks...sheesh, the money must buy you something.
In principle I agree with you guys but the few times I've been with a real 5star looking lady, I haven't given a shit what she did. The entire time I was inside I was just thinking "holy crap, I can't believe I'm fucking this fine piece of ass right now"...
Hell yea tap that shiat. Oh yea, looks any day. How many men say "yea I just hit Rosan Bar".
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I don't suppose I can have my cake and eat it too? Performance is obviously important but looks can't be overlooked in my opinion. The visual part is important to me so I can't really even get it up if I don't find the woman attractive. I thought one of the main reasons people hobbied was so that they could have both performance and looks...sheesh, the money must buy you something.
You guys get no argument from me. We would all like to hook up with Miss Universe's better lookin younger sister and have her be the f&@k of a lifetime. Five star by five star so to speak. But the original question was which girl would you repeat with - a three star performer with five star looks or a five star performer with three star looks?
There is another great thread started by marauder69 called The 5 Star Review where he addresses grade inflation. Into that thread a little ways HungWell does a great job of defining one through five stars for both looks and performance. IMHO these guys nail it in that thread.
The bell curve is at work here. 80% of all women are, well, average. That would be 3 stars. Check out HungWell's definition of three stars. Nothing wrong with three stars. Another 15% are split between 2 stars and 4 stars. The remaining 5% would be split between 1 star and 5 stars. Out of 100 providers there are, at best, only 2 or 3 that rate five stars in looks. And yet there are a ton of reviews on this site that are rated 4 to 5 stars for looks. Grade inflation man, grade inflation.
Though I do enjoy good looks, I will have to lean toward the performance side. And both are quite subjective, what I would consider a 5x5 could well be someone elses 3x3 as stated already. But using my own scale I would rather be with a performer than just eye candy.
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I don't suppose I can have my cake and eat it too? Performance is obviously important but looks can't be overlooked in my opinion. The visual part is important to me so I can't really even get it up if I don't find the woman attractive. I thought one of the main reasons people hobbied was so that they could have both performance and looks...sheesh, the money must buy you something.
You guys get no argument from me. We would all like to hook up with Miss Universe's better lookin younger sister and have her be the f&@k of a lifetime. Five star by five star so to speak. But the original question was which girl would you repeat with - a three star performer with five star looks or a five star performer with three star looks?
There is another great thread started by marauder69 called The 5 Star Review where he addresses grade inflation. Into that thread a little ways HungWell does a great job of defining one through five stars for both looks and performance. IMHO these guys nail it in that thread.
The bell curve is at work here. 80% of all women are, well, average. That would be 3 stars. Check out HungWell's definition of three stars. Nothing wrong with three stars. Another 15% are split between 2 stars and 4 stars. The remaining 5% would be split between 1 star and 5 stars. Out of 100 providers there are, at best, only 2 or 3 that rate five stars in looks. And yet there are a ton of reviews on this site that are rated 4 to 5 stars for looks. Grade inflation man, grade inflation.
Agreed, that's a good thread. Sure reviews are subjective but if everyone kept to the guidelines set out by Hung, there would be a lot less 5 star reviews...can't give a 5 to all of em if you follow those guidelines.
I HungWell does a great job of defining one through five stars for both looks and performance. IMHO these guys nail it in that thread.
Thanks Blake, sometimes I get tired of patting myself on the shoulder!