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I already talked about how much I hate humiliation tactics but here’s something I find even more disgusting: condoms have been used as evidence against alleged prostitutes.

“In DC, police have been accused of claiming that suspects carrying three or more condoms have an intent to sell sex in ‘Prostitution Free Zones.’ Change.org asserts that the practice has had a chilling effect on safe-sex in the sex industry, with some undergound brothels refusing to keep condoms on premises.”

Are you kidding me? So now the risk of STD’s is higher because providers will be scared to keep condoms around. Isn't this taking things too far? What’s next? Wearing a sexy outfit is evidence of intent to sell sex?

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You have to admit, it is kind of funny when you consider a provider having to come up with a quick excuse as to why she has three cases of condoms in her closet...

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Next we will have to have a vending machine in our bedroom - Buy 1 condom next one is free Jawdropping!

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Amsterdam wrote:

Next we will have to have a vending machine in our bedroom - Buy 1 condom next one is free Jawdropping!

Hey some of those vending machines have great feng shui value -

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Yeah that's right use threats of arrest & public humiliation to prevent people from carying various kinds of protection and birth control .
That will solve ALL the problems LOL

Idiots .

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haha... Well I must be a provider then. I have a box of 12... wait make that 10 in the nightstand next to the bed.

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Costco should protest this to. Now no one will ever buy the super mega value pack.

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Seriously, this is WHY i stopped carrying my "goodie bag" on first time calls, with very rare exceptions.

I can explain a pack of condoms - single NYC gal and all, but explaining toys, lube and female condoms may be a bit more complicated

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I been pulled over in Mesa one time and the LE really grilled me because they found condoms in my car. I like to see how the condom manufacture feels about there product being considered illegal.

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Sensual Lina wrote:

Seriously, this is WHY i stopped carrying my "goodie bag" on first time calls, with very rare exceptions.

I can explain a pack of condoms - single NYC gal and all, but explaining toys, lube and female condoms may be a bit more complicated

Lina

Probably a good idea Lina. It's never good to look like the Avon girl of sex toys when LE shows up.

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Probably a good idea Lina. It's never good to look like the Avon girl of sex toys when LE shows up.

I think you just gave Lina and any other provider the perfect alibi. Get a card made up to impy you are working as one of those Adam & Eve adult hostesses, a la Avon Lady, and simply say that these are your samples Smiling

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Go Figure.... the "MAN'S WORLD" Guys can carry condoms in their wallets but women can't carry them Puzzled

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Yeah really why are they so one sided there are male providers too, I agree that is a good idea LOL mock up some business cards and a logo adopt the title of "adult party hostess" with you case of samples Smiling

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Yeah really why are they so one sided there are male providers too, I agree that is a good idea LOL mock up some business cards and a logo adopt the title of "adult party hostess" with your case of samples" Smiling
If LE stops you and they find a bunch of condoms doing an illegal search, so what?
You shouldn't and also DO NOT have to talk to LE other than by identifying yourself actually, you don't even have to do that but keep in mind they may detain you for not telling them who you are too(they have 48 hrs to charge on a ProbabableCause hold) if you aren't talking they have nothing. Silence is your friend, LE is not in that situation.-V

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Yeah really why are they so one sided there are male providers too, I agree that is a good idea LOL mock up some business cards and a logo adopt the title of "adult party hostess" with you case of samples Smiling

OT - but I find it worth a laugh. Female driver was recently cited for reckless operation. Seems she had a vibrating egg inserted, got excited and lost control of her car. She claimed she was independent contractor for Intimate Treasures (or something like that - adult Avon parties) and was enroute to a function. She further claimed she wanted to try this item out in order to offer up personal observation.

Wish I could find the link.

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You shouldn't and also DO NOT have to talk to LE other than by identifying yourself actually, you don't even have to do that but keep in mind they may detain you for not telling them who you are too(they have 48 hrs to charge on a ProbabableCause hold) if you aren't talking they have nothing. Silence is your friend, LE is not in that situation.-V

How true. I grew up with members of my family being in LE and always thought "Why not talk to LE I've got nothing to hide"

Then as part of the bonus of finding this site I clicked on Anabangbang's links for the escourtdrama site and watched the 2 video's by the law professor and the detective. Now I'm like hell I don't know if I'll ever talk to a member of LE again even conversationally. Smiling

One thing I've known for years though. Is never ever hang out at a bar who's customers tend to be LE. Because no matter how in the right you are you'll have the brotherhood backing the other guy everytime. I don't know this from personal experience thank god.

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Off topic story:
I actually grounded my son all of last summer for talking to them,
It was the fact LE was trying to pin a felony arson on him just bc he went to see where the smoke was coming from while on the phone w/h the fire dept LE spots him, handcuffs him and drags him downtown without even telling me and put words in his mouth.*note he has asbergers syndrome
I went through hell getting that straightened out.
I'm not joking.

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wow. crazy stories.

If we were ever pulled over - hey, we are swingers. Swingin aint illegal.

But - thats IF we even talked, we are of the opinion that 90% of people inadvetently incriminate themselves by TALKING! So, we refuse to talk.

We patently refuse searches, roadside sobriety tests, etc. all of these things are designed to get you into trouble - if a cop pulls me over he has to have reason. Further, if we do pull over, it will be into a well lit, well populated busy parking lot. Much harder for cops when there are 10 civillian witnesses.

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FlirtyChristine wrote:

wow. crazy stories.

If we were ever pulled over - hey, we are swingers. Swingin aint illegal.

But - thats IF we even talked, we are of the opinion that 90% of people inadvetently incriminate themselves by TALKING! So, we refuse to talk.

We patently refuse searches, roadside sobriety tests, etc. all of these things are designed to get you into trouble - if a cop pulls me over he has to have reason. Further, if we do pull over, it will be into a well lit, well populated busy parking lot. Much harder for cops when there are 10 civillian witnesses.

I like your thinkin'...and I agree 100%.

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a condom is used as evidence because there are 2 elements needed for most criminal convictions.

1. Actus reus - the criminal activity
2. Mens rea - the criminal intent

the first element is satified by the agreement.. ..making an agreement to exchange a sex act for something of value is the criminal activity (actus reus) in a prostiution charge... .. . money doesnt have to be involved, sex doesnt have to be involved, only an agreeement.

the second element (mens rea) is satified by an act of "furtherance". .. having condoms shows that you not only agreed to the act, but you actually intended to go through with, or "further" the act.

another example of an act of "furtherance" is starting to get undressed but that doesnt mean they are arresting any woman who takes off her jacket in public.

scenario:
undercover officer says: "would you have sex with me for $300"
girl says: "sure" and laughs.

she's arrested.
later, in court
she says: "yeah i agreed, but i thought he was just joking around and i was playing along, i was laughing".
officer: "well she came to the hotel with a purse full of condoms".

so yes, condoms can be used against you as evidence.
but mere possession of condoms alone will NOT get you arrested.

by trying to incite a riot over this condom issue which is actually very legally reasonable, they are just taking the focus away from the real issues that we have and it's just going to make it harder for us to have credibility with legislators in the future.

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whats wierd is i have like 3 boxes in my dresser since i bought a ton when they went on sale, im going to prison forever Smiling

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moebius8 wrote:

whats wierd is i have like 3 boxes in my dresser since i bought a ton when they went on sale, im going to prison forever Smiling

On the bright side, at some prisons they now allow some level of internet access. So, - you can always schedule an outcall.

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moebius8 wrote:

whats wierd is i have like 3 boxes in my dresser since i bought a ton when they went on sale, im going to prison forever Smiling

Better use them up before the expiration date Moebius!

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ChefHawkTut wrote:
moebius8 wrote:

whats wierd is i have like 3 boxes in my dresser since i bought a ton when they went on sale, im going to prison forever Smiling

Better use them up before the expiration date Moebius!

ive been running through about 3 or 4 a session lately damn things keep tearing etc so that wont be a problem.

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moebius8 wrote:
ChefHawkTut wrote:
moebius8 wrote:

whats wierd is i have like 3 boxes in my dresser since i bought a ton when they went on sale, im going to prison forever Smiling

Better use them up before the expiration date Moebius!

ive been running through about 3 or 4 a session lately damn things keep tearing etc so that wont be a problem.

I feel your pain Moebius. Might I suggest you pick up the following self-help material:

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coyote wrote:
moebius8 wrote:

whats wierd is i have like 3 boxes in my dresser since i bought a ton when they went on sale, im going to prison forever Smiling

On the bright side, at some prisons they now allow some level of internet access. So, - you can always schedule an outcall.

moebius is in arizona.

sheriff joe tried to take cable tv away from the prisons but since it violated the prisoner's rights, he was ordered to put it back in... so he did but he only allows the weather channel, the food channel (so they can see what they're missing) and i think the newt gingrich show ??

we have chain gangs in arizona but i'm pretty sure no internet.

condoms are sold in packages of 3, 6, 12 and 24, 36 and 48.
nobody has gone to jail for having a box of condoms.

moebius, thhey're ripping cuz they're too old.
get rid of them and go russian.

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if you keep showing me boob pics im going to break my never travel more than five miles rule, ana so knock it off Smiling

they shouldnt be old they all are at least a year before expiration, they are the trojan microthins and that is probably the problem lol. they really do feel awesome but im going to go back to the regular kind i think

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JohnJohn wrote:
moebius8 wrote:
ChefHawkTut wrote:
moebius8 wrote:

whats wierd is i have like 3 boxes in my dresser since i bought a ton when they went on sale, im going to prison forever Smiling

Better use them up before the expiration date Moebius!

ive been running through about 3 or 4 a session lately damn things keep tearing etc so that wont be a problem.

I feel your pain Moebius. Might I suggest you pick up the following self-help material:
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that book is my guide and my mantra, its meditations have helped me through many a dark day Sticking out tongue

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moebius8 wrote:

they shouldnt be old they all are at least a year before expiration, they are the trojan microthins and that is probably the problem lol. they really do feel awesome but im going to go back to the regular kind i think

thats the brand i use and i dont have any issues with them.
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anabangbang wrote:

thats the brand i use and i dont have any issues with them.

Brand you use or brand you provide? Oh crap, we are not going to have another one of those discussions again, are we?

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Ana,

So wouldn't the possession of an orafice be the same thing? What if the provider allowed BB experiances. Eye-wink

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a condom is used as evidence because there are 2 elements needed for most criminal convictions.

1. Actus reus - the criminal activity
2. Mens rea - the criminal intent

the first element is satified by the agreement.. ..making an agreement to exchange a sex act for something of value is the criminal activity (actus reus) in a prostiution charge... .. . money doesnt have to be involved, sex doesnt have to be involved, only an agreeement.

the second element (mens rea) is satified by an act of "furtherance". .. having condoms shows that you not only agreed to the act, but you actually intended to go through with, or "further" the act.

another example of an act of "furtherance" is starting to get undressed but that doesnt mean they are arresting any woman who takes off her jacket in public.

scenario:
undercover officer says: "would you have sex with me for $300"
girl says: "sure" and laughs.

she's arrested.
later, in court
she says: "yeah i agreed, but i thought he was just joking around and i was playing along, i was laughing".
officer: "well she came to the hotel with a purse full of condoms".

so yes, condoms can be used against you as evidence.
but mere possession of condoms alone will NOT get you arrested.

by trying to incite a riot over this condom issue which is actually very legally reasonable, they are just taking the focus away from the real issues that we have and it's just going to make it harder for us to have credibility with legislators in the future.

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