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I understand that these services are supposed to be a good way for ladies to screen and that they make it quicker for us guys to get screened but I wanted to know if the women who are members of these sites are also screened? Are there still bait and switch ladies on p411 and datecheck or can I rely on the women who advertise there to be what they say they are?

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That's a good question. I know that both sites are supposed to do a good job of screening us hobbyists but I don't know whether they also screen the providers to ensure that they are legit. I've had a few experiences with girls who use p411 and they looked like the pictures and provided the services I expected. Maybe the ladies on the board can fill us in with what the requirements are for them to sign up in the first place if there are any.

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I've personally never used either of these services and don't seem to have any problems getting a date. Your question is a good one though, do these services also screen the providers...

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HungWell wrote:

I've personally never used either of these services and don't seem to have any problems getting a date. Your question is a good one though, do these services also screen the providers...

Uh, I thought we were the guys screening the providers...

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Marauder69 wrote:
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I've personally never used either of these services and don't seem to have any problems getting a date. Your question is a good one though, do these services also screen the providers...

Uh, I thought we were the guys screening the providers...

The best experience is when both people are verified.

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Marauder69 wrote:
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I've personally never used either of these services and don't seem to have any problems getting a date. Your question is a good one though, do these services also screen the providers...

Uh, I thought we were the guys screening the providers...

Right ! Most ladies will have links to their reviews and other places that show they are legit etc... Yes , it would be super if gents kept a web site with links to their references and what is needed to verify them . But do they want to take that chance ?

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I had the same problem when trying to set up my first appointment with a reviewed provider. The fact that I was unemployed at the time made it even more difficult for me to get verified. Wrote a long thread on it when I joined the site "Why is this so difficult?!?!?" Luckily, my first attempt was with a provider who was willing to TOFFT. I guess I came off as being honest, and non-threatening, coz', after a few emails, and a quick conversation, she agreed to meet me. I think the more experienced providers probably have a sixth sense about these things.
What I can suggest is to get yourself on a couple of local forums, and become a contributing member, by posting. This will help. The first one will always be the hardest. After you get your foot in the door, you'll have a provider reference for life.

P.S. Does anyone know how to post an existing thread as an HTML link?? There's a thread here titled "Verification Services" you could look at. I'd paste it, but I don't know how.Sad

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MakeUSqueal wrote:

. After you get your foot in the door, you'll have a provider reference for life. (

normally the reference is only good for about 6 months and after she's given you a few references, if you're still using her, she might start wondering why and contact the girls that she gave your reference to, to find out if there's a reason why you're not using them now.

she's not being a bitch but if you think about it, it makes sense because it's possible you were good for her, but not for the girls subsequent to her and thats why you're still using her as a reference, instead of your more recent dates.

so we might look into it after the 3rd or 4th reference.

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. P.S. Does anyone know how to post an existing thread as an HTML link?? There's a thread here titled "Verification Services" you could look at. I'd paste it, but I don't know how.Sad

pull up the thread you want to refer to in your post, go up to top and click on the url (http ://...www.naughtywhatever) until it's all highlighted, then right click and select copy..

come back to your post and right click and select paste.

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Or you could do it the old school way just go to the link in question and copy it from you browser field and then post it in this thread. That's what us technological granpas do!

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High_Roller wrote:

Or you could do it the old school way just go to the link in question and copy it from you browser field and then post it in this thread. That's what us technological granpas do!

you sure about that ?

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anabangbang wrote:
High_Roller wrote:

Or you could do it the old school way just go to the link in question and copy it from you browser field and then post it in this thread. That's what us technological granpas do!

you sure about that ?

Is it me or did he just describe the same thing you did Ana?

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madmandon wrote:
anabangbang wrote:
High_Roller wrote:

Or you could do it the old school way just go to the link in question and copy it from you browser field and then post it in this thread. That's what us technological granpas do!

you sure about that ?

Is it me or did he just describe the same thing you did Ana?

It must be his Alzheimer's

(kidding, of course).

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I'll tell you this, it took a good 48 hours before I was listed as a provider after registerig with p411 and even longer before my photos were accepted. I feel much more comfortable and will only meet with new people after they have been verified. It truly is a bummer when I think about all of the potential clients who opt not to become members of a screening service.

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Verification is critical to any meeting with a provider who actually cares about being safe.

We have lost probably half of our business due to gent refusing to cooperate with verification.

Common Problems:

No recent referrals with established providers
A referral from a provider who had been busted (too hot)
Refusal to give full name
Refusal to give phone number
Refusal to give employment info
Refusal to show identification

Now, we have TOFTT on a few occasions, here is what helped the gent lacking a referral:
1) Extremely polite in all convos - no discussion of sex or $
2) Invested in a longer "get acquainted" period
3) Met us in public, a mixer, M&G or happy hour

Now, we are a couple, my hubby is always present, and thus we have an "upper hand". During a face-to-face, we have much more luck getting more info out of the difficult gents.

Further, we only discuss our providing a "show". Private stripping or modeling is legal, we do the same for the unknown gent until we can get enough info to raise our comfort level.

We however will pass on the more difficult gent of we have other clients that are easier to verify.

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FlirtyChristine wrote:

Verification is critical to any meeting with a provider who actually cares about being safe.

We have lost probably half of our business due to gent refusing to cooperate with verification.

Common Problems:

No recent referrals with established providers
A referral from a provider who had been busted (too hot)
Refusal to give full name
Refusal to give phone number
Refusal to give employment info
Refusal to show identification

Now, we have TOFTT on a few occasions, here is what helped the gent lacking a referral:
1) Extremely polite in all convos - no discussion of sex or $
2) Invested in a longer "get acquainted" period
3) Met us in public, a mixer, M&G or happy hour

Now, we are a couple, my hubby is always present, and thus we have an "upper hand". During a face-to-face, we have much more luck getting more info out of the difficult gents.

Further, we only discuss our providing a "show". Private stripping or modeling is legal, we do the same for the unknown gent until we can get enough info to raise our comfort level.

We however will pass on the more difficult gent of we have other clients that are easier to verify.

Some useful first hand knowledge here. Should help those that "don't get" the whole verification thing understand what their options are. From the hobbyist standpoint, providers I'm sure can understand that it's a bit scary for us to have to give out info, especially employment details---but hey, if you wanna play, you gotta pay.

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LickiLicki wrote:

Some useful first hand knowledge here. Should help those that "don't get" the whole verification thing understand what their options are. From the hobbyist standpoint, providers I'm sure can understand that it's a bit scary for us to have to give out info, especially employment details---but hey, if you wanna play, you gotta pay.

We totally understand that giving employment info can be scary. But there are at least THREE reasonable options... (choose one that works best for you)

1) Use a service like Date-Check or Preferred411

2) Have at least 2 references from providers you've seen in the last 6 months (make sure the provider knows you are using her as a reference)

3) Cooperate with a background check (name, phone number and ID upon meeting)

Hope this helps.

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Not sure if anyone answered the original question pertaining to if P411 and date check also verify providers. I cannot speak for date check, but P411 does not allow just any provider to join. There is a process. You can find the information on their website.

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personally i have no issue getting a date either. I also dont use any verification other than being well known and having a big mouth.

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Here is the real deal for every guy new to this business.

What no one knows about you can not hurt you.

So if you give a girl your info it can and has hurt guys.

If you give a company your info it can and has hurt guys.

So play safe and keep your info to your self.

Some times bad girls lose their sense of right and wrong and turn on the guys.

That being said I do love the girls.

moebius8 we doing the hot tub thing with Ana?

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lol sure why not Smiling

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rick777 wrote:

Here is the real deal for every guy new to this business.

What no one knows about you can not hurt you.

So if you give a girl your info it can and has hurt guys.

If you give a company your info it can and has hurt guys.

So play safe and keep your info to your self.

Some times bad girls lose their sense of right and wrong and turn on the guys.

That being said I do love the girls.

moebius8 we doing the hot tub thing with Ana?

and when clients refuse to give you their info the girl ends up DEAD BURIED IN LONG ISLAND,
So you may want to share with the newbies the other side of the coin, if a girl does not screen than she has 10 guys coming a day and will tell anyone who calls right where her incall is located. Might be more dangerous to have LE kick in the door during your session, than giving date-check your info, it might also prevent you from being robbed or ripped off.
datecheck does verify all the girls to make sure they are well reviewed and the girls have to have a client give them a reference or another escort to even get on the site.
What really ironic is that it is usually the client that ADMITS EVERYTHING TO THE COPS as soon as they threaten to call his wife or employeer.
Please explain how datecheck having your info could possible hurt you, they do not share the info with the escorts, they assign you a ID and safe word that all escorts accept as a reference.
It can't be any worst than the guys who place explicit reviews from their home IP address.

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in regards to the original question, yes escorts have to go through a verification process before they advertise on there and if guys report shenanigans to either site, it is "looked into" and if found to be valid, she would be removed.

Preferred 411 verification process for escorts

Date Check verification process for escorts.

In regards to the hottub 3some, it has to go on hold (sigh).
I hate my pool guy, really. He is so freaking superior acting, WTF, like he's the aqua I.T. department with all his big words and exasperation that he has to explain something AGAIN.
knocks on my door at 6am to tell me to please put HIS flush capacitor (or whatever) valves back the way he had them, like he can't leave a freaking note with a diagram for me to reference ?? There's like 18 twisty turny things and at least a half dozen switches and knobs that have to be a certain freaking way and then monkeyed with in a certain freaking order, I don't know how it works and I think he's purposely f*cking me... Thats it, Im putting a note out there, I want LABELS and ARROWS on that sh*t.

also, I'm gonna prob need a gas man cuz I'm not using HIS guy that is quoting $1200 for a $50 PART FOR CHRISSAKIES.

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Jenna Purr wrote:

in regards to the original question, yes escorts have to go through a verification process before they advertise on there and if guys report shenanigans to either site, it is "looked into" and if found to be valid, she would be removed.

Preferred 411 verification process for escorts

Date Check verification process for escorts.

In regards to the hottub 3some, it has to go on hold (sigh).
I hate my pool guy, really. He is so freaking superior acting, WTF, like he's the aqua I.T. department with all his big words and exasperation that he has to explain something AGAIN.
knocks on my door at 6am to tell me to please put HIS flush capacitor (or whatever) valves back the way he had them, like he can't leave a freaking note with a diagram for me to reference ?? There's like 18 twisty turny things and at least a half dozen switches and knobs that have to be a certain freaking way and then monkeyed with in a certain freaking order, I don't know how it works and I think he's purposely f*cking me... Thats it, Im putting a note out there, I want LABELS and ARROWS on that sh*t.

also, I'm gonna prob need a gas man cuz I'm not using HIS guy that is quoting $1200 for a $50 PART FOR CHRISSAKIES.

Interesting, read both those links and neither seems to be fool proof. It's interesting that p411 places so much emphasis on a provider having reviews to be accepted....seems like LE could do a convincing job of shilling 5 reviews if they really wanted to.

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and when clients refuse to give you their info the girl ends up DEAD BURIED IN LONG ISLAND,
So you may want to share with the newbies the other side of the coin, if a girl does not screen than she has 10 guys coming a day and will tell anyone who calls right where her incall is located. Might be more dangerous to have LE kick in the door during your session, than giving date-check your info, it might also prevent you from being robbed or ripped off.
datecheck does verify all the girls to make sure they are well reviewed and the girls have to have a client give them a reference or another escort to even get on the site.
What really ironic is that it is usually the client that ADMITS EVERYTHING TO THE COPS as soon as they threaten to call his wife or employeer.
Please explain how datecheck having your info could possible hurt you, they do not share the info with the escorts, they assign you a ID and safe word that all escorts accept as a reference.
It can't be any worst than the guys who place explicit reviews from their home IP address.

While everyone has the right to do as they please you paint a very dramatic picture that is misleading, yes there have been resent high profile cases but,the numbers do not support your statements. Yes sex workers do get killed both sexes, yes they get robed, beat etc however; the numbers show that they like everyone is much more likely to be killed by someone you know rather than a stranger.

So when date check etc gets raided for some reason they will not give up all the info they have on any and everyone in their system and go to jail? I think not.
LE kicking down a door over this unlikely unless there were other much more serious issues involved, again this is a minor crime that most locations issue a ticket for.

While I have no facts about whom “ADMITS EVERYTHING TO THE COPS” I do have info on who blackmails who more often, in short this debate has happened and no side is without issues.

And who would not use a proxy or an open Wi-Fi to post reviews today?

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For both Datecheck and P411 I not only had to have reviews for them to verify but I had to have a gentleman who was already a verified member vouch for me. They both contacted me after I filled out my application and after several screening questions I was accepted.

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Gina check out my reviews. Wait no reviews. But really I understand the view of the women. I am just not one. And knowing lots of guys and lots of girls. I have to say girls usually win and guys usually lose. The girls are pros and us guys are not. So since we lose the most often we need to be extra careful.

But I have not said this in a long time. I thank all the women I have known. Without them I would have been a very grumpy guy.

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rick777 wrote:

Gina check out my reviews. Wait no reviews. But really I understand the view of the women. I am just not one. And knowing lots of guys and lots of girls. I have to say girls usually win and guys usually lose. The girls are pros and us guys are not. So since we lose the most often we need to be extra careful.

But I have not said this in a long time. I thank all the women I have known. Without them I would have been a very grumpy guy.

You're probably right, we lose more often than they do BUT when they lose it is usually a harsher loss (ie) they end up in jail, beaten, or worse. For us, losing is usually just getting upsold or making a date with some goddess and ending up with an overweight saggy grandma.

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Vjimbo][quote=ginainthemorning wrote:
rick777 wrote:

and when clients refuse to give you their info the girl ends up DEAD BURIED IN LONG ISLAND,
So you may want to share with the newbies the other side of the coin, if a girl does not screen than she has 10 guys coming a day and will tell anyone who calls right where her incall is located. Might be more dangerous to have LE kick in the door during your session, than giving date-check your info, it might also prevent you from being robbed or ripped off.
datecheck does verify all the girls to make sure they are well reviewed and the girls have to have a client give them a reference or another escort to even get on the site.
What really ironic is that it is usually the client that ADMITS EVERYTHING TO THE COPS as soon as they threaten to call his wife or employeer.
Please explain how datecheck having your info could possible hurt you, they do not share the info with the escorts, they assign you a ID and safe word that all escorts accept as a reference.
It can't be any worst than the guys who place explicit reviews from their home IP address.

While everyone has the right to do as they please you paint a very dramatic picture that is misleading, yes there have been resent high profile cases but,the numbers do not support your statements. Yes sex workers do get killed both sexes, yes they get robed, beat etc however; the numbers show that they like everyone is much more likely to be killed by someone you know rather than a stranger.

So when date check etc gets raided for some reason they will not give up all the info they have on any and everyone in their system and go to jail? I think not.
LE kicking down a door over this unlikely unless there were other much more serious issues involved, again this is a minor crime that most locations issue a ticket for.

While I have no facts about whom “ADMITS EVERYTHING TO THE COPS” I do have info on who blackmails who more often, in short this debate has happened and no side is without issues.

And who would not use a proxy or an open Wi-Fi to post reviews today?

preferred 411 has an offshore server ( I believe)

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If they (and they do) have US based offices, parent companies/owners, etc they can be compelled to provide the information no matter the location of the servers, or company HQ.

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im willing to venture that if they got the it guy in a back room and started explaining how he was going to
ass-rammer prison for 15 years for obstruction that server access would magically appear.