I've even seen providers advertising as such in the past. IMO, it degrades the whole review process. Maybe a girl offers a superb service to get the review and then after that she goes back to her old bad habits of clock watching and not washing her kitty!

I would never offer anything like that.

Don't laugh at me... but I think it's immoral.

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Big difference between starting out as an independent and saying that you are offering reduced rates for all until you get some reviews versus offering discounts for placing favorable review. For me, one is just a potentially effective marketing strategy for start-up business but when the catch becomes that is Has to be favorable, be wary since how are you going to get a discount until after you post the review? Unlikely you will ever get that particular rebate check in the mail and you better hope you liked the first experience because the only way you are ever going to get the discount is on the return visit. And, if you liked the experience enough to repeat, well, how important is the discount? No matter how I look at it, just bad form when the qualifier is that it has to be a favorable review.

Speaking of bad form, FS, I don't know you, but not real cool to laugh at someone that bothers to respond on-topic in a thread you initiated. Not sure you meant it that way, just saying -

aaaaw, it's fine to laugh at me!

It's just that I really have strong morals... just not the same like stereotypical churchgoing americans... for example, I'm all for fairness and honesty.

I think that it more like ethical. Ethic's is were it's at. Morals, I hope you have bad ones, cuz that's the kind of girls I like.

Definition (dictionary.com) morals:"principles or habits with respect to right or wrong conduct"

I looked it up - wanted to make sure I haven't used it wrong...

I know that "bad morals" in vernacular is often used in reference to stereotypical "bad girl" attributes, but I was quite serious and literal.

I don't lie, I don't cheat, and I treat others the way I want to be treated. I'd call that good morals. I was talking about "strong morals" because I'm almost a little obsessive about it.

So, which one of you lovely ladies would like a 5+ review?

What do you guys think of this?...

You finish a session with a girl.
She asks you if you had a great time.
You say "yes".
She asks, "Will you write a nice review of me?"
You say "Sure, if I have time".
She says, "How bout if I give you a free hour next week?"
You say, "Deal. I'll write it tonight."

Good? Bad? Moral? Ethical? What do you guys think?

As someone mentioned in this thread or another similar one, "It's a slippery slope". What happens if your idea of a good time is a 4 star review and her idea of you writing a review is 5 star? Will she still give you that free hour? Personally, I'd probably have a difficult time turning down the free hour. I've got no problem with providers encouraging me to write a review whatsoever but I don't think they should be "paying" you to write the review...there's a lot of grayness involved here.

Well, under this scenario I change my tune. If the hobbyist had a good time, odds are a good review was forthcoming. So, the only motivation for the provider's offer in Marauder's post is to get the hobbyist off his can and publish the review. I don't see any harm as there is no quid pro quo to taint the review. For me, this is very different than "if you write a good review I'll give you a discount." I'm sure many of us have had providers offer incentives (perhaps not for reviews, but incentives nonetheless) - whether it be, hey come check out this new recipe and I'll wear a new outfit, extending time at their discretion, buying dinner, etc. Bottom line, again IMHO, it crosses the line and smells very suspect to me when the provider's offer is strictly contingent on a favorable review.

PS I have no answer about a hobbyist in the above scenario that would not be telling the truth to the provider and then going ahead and writing a review just to get a free hour the following week. What ethical hobbyists would do that? The little head may decide on the moral issues, but I'd like to think the big head still handles the ethical ones.

But what happens if the hobbyist writes a decent review but not an excellent one? Will she still give him a free hour? If not, then isn't it just the same as saying "I'll give you a free hour if you write me a good review?

My opinion is predicated on the assumption the hobbyist was going to give a good review in any event and that this was the Provider's way of providing incentive to do it in a timely fashion.

Now, if we change the scenario to the provider not feeling the review is good enough to warrant honoring the offer of a free hour - well, then my original assumption is wrong and the provider is, in fact, not offering an incentive to get the review done promptly but is offering a discount (free hour) for a review that meets with her approval. As I stated a couple of posts ago in this thread, I would be very wary, i.e., I would not see again.

In sum, IMHO, if the incentive offered is to get an action such as a review done promptly or is open to all hobbyists such as in starting up a new business, then I have no issue with a provider offering discounts for reviews. However, if the incentive offered carries the qualifier that a review is done a certain way, to meet the expectations of the provider, then I do have a problem with it.

I agree with both of you. The truth of the matter is that while in theory its fine to encourage guys to write reviews, when something is attached to that (ie) a free hour, the chances of the review system getting skewed are 100%. I just find it really hard to imagine that a hobbyist how had an above average time won't rate even higher to make sure he gets his free hour.

I forgot to mention that it is bad from the provider's perspective as well as she might feel inclined to provide unsafe services just to make sure that the great review is written.

I have had providers mention that they could benefit from a new review and if I felt inspired they would appreciate it, but never been offered any kind of discount or freebie for it. Now I did have a provider call me after I had reviewed her, and say thank you, and then she offered a discounted rate for me, but I did not write it knowing that would happen, and it would no have changed what I wrote. I would be very dissappointed if a girl offered anything for a good review, as I would then question the validity of her other reviews, but if what if the experince was good and worth writing about, and I planned to come back anyway, then maybe I would take her up on it, but I would worry some that she may change the quality of her service after recieving the review.

I see nothing wrong with your POV turtleboy. Nothing wrong with her offering you a special service or a discounted price as a thank you for writing a review and thereby helping to promote her business. The problem, as I see it, is if the offer of special service comes before the review is written. Let's face it, positive reviews can work wonders for a provider's career as they separate her from the legions of bad providers. Good reviews mean a provider can charge more and be more selective if they want to and there is obviously nothing wrong with them saying "thanks for writing that good accurate review of the time we spent together and here's a free hour of wild times".

I'm not sure where I stand on this issue but here's a real life example of someone offering exactly what we are talking about:
http://www.naughtyreviews.com/forum/san-diego/hey-guys

On a side note she looks hot! Would anyone think less of my review if I took her up on her offer?

Nice find! On principle I don't think I agree with it but in reality who would I be to turn down a discount.

here's how this normally goes down.

about half of the girls online who claim to be independant are actually agency girls.

although there are some true independents that advertise as "email only" or independent with an "assistant", unfortunately for them, they are a minority because a good 75% of these girls are actually agency girls.

as a former agency owner, i'm telling you new girls can have so many different problems you cant imagine so you need to know what the "product" is before you send her to a good client and risk losing the client.

so you need "test" clients to let you know of any "issues".
the agency waives it's fee, and the "test" client just pays the girl so that's normally a sweet discount.
you have to remember that some of these girls are horrible, i mean really omfg horrible so it's not always going to seem too sweet but there are some guys who dont have a large hobby budget and they're willing to take that risk.

plus when a girl starts working at a new agency, she normally needs money "right now" so you need to book her a call right away to keep her.
so this looks to be a win - win - win situation
the guy gets a great discount, the girl gets some money and the agency gets to "know" the "product"

but there's a problem

what "test" client is going to post a bad review of a girl from an agency that lets him see the new girls at half price ?
do you think he cares more about being "honest" and "ethical" for the benefit of his fellow hobbyist than he does about his status with the agency ?
wwjd ?

what agency is going to continue to give a guy a discount if he writes a bad review ?
wwjd ?

Interesting look inside the elusive agency brain! I do pretty much agree with you BUT what guy is going to care about the discount if he has a terrible experience with an ugly provider? If the hobbyist had a good time then I agree that the review would probably end up being skewed too high but if it really was a bad time he'd still feel like it was too expensive even if he received a substantial discount wouldn't he?

an agency has new girls coming in every week, sometimes every day.
these girls are HUNGRY when they come in.
they'll take a $100 in a second.

especially if some photoshopped pics and a raving review will have her pulling in $400-$500 an hour within a few days.

whats in it for the guy if he writes an honest review ?
nada

we're not talking about actual hobbyists here.. these guys are going to be the agency owner's buddies.

you gotta toftt every once in a while.

I jumped back to this site recently and noticed that I had all these responses. Thanks for all these thought provoking comments guys.

Ana, you've given me a lot to think about. I guess the answer is: Be honest in your reviews, unless your buddy runs an agency and could get you some fresh action at a discount. Why is life so complicated?

simplified --

do you think that a provider who is rushing along her career might be more inclined to rush through her sessions ?

do you want to spend time with a provider who's willing to earn her reviews the hard way, or one who is willing to "offer incentives" to get the best and the most reviews as fast as she can ?

its not a moral question or an ethical question, it's just good common sense.

I agree with this in principle but there must be some providers who are frustrated at first by the inability to get those all-important first reviews. Maybe they provide incentive for the first couple of clients and then stop. If that was the case, I guess I could understand it although I don't necessarily agree with it from an ethical standpoint.

I don't know... I got reviews without even knowing about it...
I think if you do what you have to do ANYWAY to run a successful business, you'll always find guys who'll TOFFT because they like how you advertise.
And if they tell you how happy they are that they did, you ask them nicely whether they could please write a review... that's all.

If you don't have reviews, you need someway to be able to differentiate yourself for all the scammers out there. Whether it's by introducing yourself to potential clients through forums like this one or finding a unique way to advertise, you need to get the word out that you are legit. I'd imagine that reviews are the best way of going about that.

I'll say this: I was informed about escort reviews a couple of years back - and I was informed about them via an escort.

It happens at TER all the time, girls from Phoenix actually go out to LA, to get reviewed by a "Select Reviewer", and based on what he writes, it can add $100, or take away $100. I try to do an honest job, when I review, based on my taste, (everyone has their own preferences), but I will also yell like hell, when someone rips me off, or doesn't deliver as promised.

I am in agreement with you on this one! Good review should be gotten legitimately or not gotten at all!

Now, if anyone can name the movie .... Lol

Lina