I'm kind of in between on this one. I think if admin can determine 100% that a review is fake it should be pulled. For example, if a review is submitted from the provider's IP it's obviously fake and should be rejected. I don't think that providers should be able to have a review pulled once it is up.

In a perfect world, I'd agree with you, but what happens if a provider continually writes reviews of herself? Sure, eventually people will figure it all out, but in the meantime, a whole bunch of hobbyists are going to get ripped off. What's the point of reviews if half of them are fake and you have no idea which to trust?

personally i think the review should be flagged as questionable and left up for the reader to make up his own mind. if a hobbyist wrote the review for free vip then he should be banned.
however if it turns out the provider herself is writing then she should be banned as well.

I like the idea of admin being able to flag a review as questionable. Upon further consideration, I think it would be cool for them to have a wall of shame where provider and hobbyist written reviews that were determined to be fake could be posted.

fraudulent reviews are not the same as fake reviews.

i meant to include something about fraudulent reviews but i was already a bit wordy.

actually i think they should stay up too and just show that the ip address of the review and the ip address of the provider are the same.

again, let the hobbyist determine what he thinks about that.

That would work for me. I don't like the way providers can just complain and have reviews removed. I don't know if that happens here are not but I do know it happens on other sites....I'd assume it happens here too. I agree though, let the hobbyist decide unless the review is hurtful or dangerous to the provider (ie) a guy writes a review saying that the provider liked it rough and the provider writes the review site saying that she doesn't....I think in that kind of circumstance the review should be pulled because otherwise it could be very dangerous.

i know most review sites have several different ways of determining a review's authenticity or not... sometimes a review could trip 1 fraud/fake detector, but seem authentic due to other factors so they cant tell for sure either way.

perhaps, admin could consider an "authenticity" rating from THEIR standpoint.
1-5 stars

all reviews starting at a 5 star rating and being lowered a star for each fraud/fake detector tripped.

i realize that they already have the point system in place so that hobbyists and providers can earn credibility that way, however the admin has access to information that we dont.

they might not want to share with us that information because then it would teach the hobbyists and providers how to get around their "detectors" but they could share with us how many detectors have been "tripped".

That's an interesting idea. You could keep the ratings provided by the reviewer and add a separate rating from admin. The other thing that already exists here but doesn't seem to be used much is the comments box underneath reviews. Admin or other hobbyists/providers could use that feature to call out suspicious reviews.

i've only had 1 fake review that i know of, in all my 5 years.

it had pretty good scores but the review itself really sucked and at the end the guy wrote, i'm not going to repeat because there are way too many younger, better providers that charge less.

i had no clue it was fake, i never questioned it... i've never questioned any of my reviews, i have no idea who any of my reviewers are because i dont ask guys for their board names and i dont ask anyone to review me.

a month later the guy posted 2 more reviews, making 3 total reviews he had posted.
he gave perfect scores to both of the girls he reviewed after me... girls that were twice my age and twice my rate.. .. and in one of the reviews he actually said "after that horrible experience with anabangbang, ...... "

6 months later all 3 reviews disappear on the same day a provider got banned and turns out, the hobbyist was a provider.

i got so many phone calls regarding the review where i was actually mentioned by name in another provider's review, i am positive that i made more money from that review than the provider who posted it on her own profile. i didnt know what the heck the guys were talking about because i didnt actually see it until months later... but they all wanted to know what was going on because guys just dont mention other providers in a providers review like that and there was just something so obviously hinky about it to them that they were calling me to try to figure out what was going on.

AND I WAS BOOKING THEM.

that fake bad review didnt hurt me one bit.. it actually made me money. .. cuz it made the guys curious.. ... and the guys that knew me, probably wanted to help me out.

LOL

good, bad or ugly, i say leave them up.
i can cash in on all of them.

I believe that all reviews should be left up. Hobbyist have a way of commenting on "OTHER" reviews. I do agree that a questionable flag could be helpful. We all need to expose the idiots and frauds in our world, letting them expose themselves is best.

Play safe and often,

There are review sites that bump up ratings on girls as well say a man who saw a provider and ranked her a 7 in looks and a 7 in performance. Than you see it is an 8 and 8 because the girl sleeps with a moderator or gives cash donations. I don't trust most review boards if you as an owner give enough cash donation anything will get put up there. Or if you attend meet and greets it helps you out.

Hmmm...I wonder which review site you are referring to Global?

I'd say you leave them up if they aren't written by a provider. If written by a provider they should definitely be posted somewhere else so that guys know who the dishonest ones are.

Who reads reviews?

HUNH???

Hi, everyone.

Reviews are more than advertising for the ladies and a source of information for the clients. Reviews can be very revealing. Hobbyists who post many, many reviews are essentially telling the ladies “who” and “what” they are. Escorts can really see “things” in reviews. Experienced escorts are extremely astute when it comes to judging the true motives and character of their clientele. It is better to have fraudulent, fake or embellished reviews than no review at all (regardless of referrals and reference checks) because written reviews reveal soooo much about clients.

The business of manufacturing and, then, selling sexual fantasy and intimacy, transforms the ladies into marvelous intuitive therapist/counselor/psychologist. Some of the insight they develop is incredibly uncanny, but to a large extent, this transformation is a survival adaptation to a world that can be very harsh, unforgiving and dangerous. To a large extent, a provider's safety depends upon this transformation…In the last year or so, we have seen some pretty bad, dishonerable and untrustworthy guys emerge from the wood work.. Many knew who these guys were before they hit the media.

Reviews reveal a lot of secrets about clients; reviews strip bare the inner character of those who pay for sex. So, reviews can be a source of invaluable information to the ladies--not only in a business sense but in a safety sense too…

The ladies want to know and need to know as much about their customers as they can. They want good, clean, steady customers. They prefer customers who are undemanding and easy to please. They prefer consistency over novelty. They prefer predictability.

Escorts don’t want to deal with scum bags, manipulators and price fixers. They want these jerks to disappear. It is very difficult for a recalcitrant, disgruntle paragon of ego sublimation and conflicting childhood animosities to hide when he reviews (himself?) having sex….

Reviews--whether fraudulent, overly embellished, or faked--wll help us find the bad guys and, then, make them go away.

LOVE, PEACE AND PROSPERITY,

Sheika Fatima

Sheika_fatima@yahoo.com
P.S. Rick, Moby & Ana it is good to chat with you again. It seems like its been such a long time.

i still say there's nothing wrong with price fixing in and of itself, the hobbiest is the economic engine we have all the power in the equation. i have personally fixed my personal price at 200 as the ceiling so my money only goes to the ladies who meet or beat that price point.

if every other hobbiest also set his ceiling at 200 then the girls would either have to take our offer or find more rewarding employment opportunities. Honestly thats not being difficult thats just the way the it is we spend the money on who we want after all. I find it facetious that you decry price fixing on the part of the hobbiests yet ignore the blatent price fixing going on among the providers.

There is a core group locally that has been trying for 4 years to set the mid tier rate at 300+. They have even seen some success with the collusion of their crowd of "grandfathered" shills who only pay 175 to 200 as long as they shill like shilling is money and they need to make some.

If your not a provider in that crowd though your just pressured to raise your rates to their market rate of 300ish until you get tired of the harrasement and threats and give in.

Yet after they miss rent and the light bill a couple of times reality sets in and we start seeing the "special rates" that are just special enough to get the phone ringing.
Honestly i dont know anyone besides newbies and out of towners that pay the MSRP for ass locally here in Arizona.

by the by compared to other countries ive visted and banged around in the USA is a paradise of government protections and price supports for the working ladies. Ask your average bargirl in the BKK if you dont believe me.

its nice to see you too sheika.

a review is only good for contact info unless you have met the reviewer, have tapped the same girl and drew the same conclusions on performance or lack thereof.

there are as many fake and inflated reviews as there are legit ones and its impossible to know until your balls deep whether the reviewer was a guy out to help out or a provider looking to make out with your wallet.

they get the bad reviews removed because they are sooooooo "inconsistent' with their shillers reviews but the fact is, the bad reviews are the real ones.

be fair.

you are more jaded than a truckstop hooker.

bring some credibility to the review process by posting some honest ones of your own and dont hold one review site accountable for the evils of others.

like someone already mentioned, there is a place for you to comment on each review.. so call out the scandalous. ... you have a voice here, i suggest you use it for something besides bitching, darling.

spanks you very much.

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i am feeling pretty jaded tonight lol the sheika brings it out in me.
i guess i could write some amp reviews except those poor girls dont need the heat in mesa and i havent been to one in tempe or phoenix in six months.

i think i know a girl who can suck the jaded right outta ya, and then you'd have someone to review.

LOL

hmmm, can't think of her name right off the top of my head but it reminds me of coffee and kitty cats.

That's a good feature here but totally underused. The comments could be just as revealing as the reviews themselves. I'd prefer that the reviews always stay up because the shillers would get killed by the comments...could be fun!

People that write reviews are confessing to a crime in public.

Could even be interpreted as pandering.

You don't think so?

Wait and watch as the DD saga continues.

Don't see how you are confessing to a crime when you pay someone for their time and then just happen to fuck the shit out of them? What's the difference with doing that and tipping a flirty waitress 100 at the end of the night and taking her home and fucking the shit out of her?

Moby, darling, your comment about price fixing is a good, sound lesson in supply and demand economics. It is very descriptive of the way the fiduciary dynamics of our community should, and often do, work. . . . Good customers build trust. Good customers should get some perks. ( Oh Moby, dearest, do you remember that rousing good chat we (all) had about punch cards and freebies! . . .)

Now, we all know that, no one can maintain a good business environment without some honor and trust. . . . But, there are clients/customers who are less than honorable; and, there are clients/customers who should not be trusted. They subvert the laze fare principles of supply and demand. You see, sometimes a group of pathetically sick, evil thinking, blobs of slime get together and decide amongst themselves that they can get sex cheaper and easier by purposing and then carrying out a blackmail scam like this:

You either screw me for free, or half price, or whatnot; or, me and my scumbag friends will get together and write a bunch of crummy reviews and ruin your business, your reputation and your life. We will put so much pressure on you that it will seriously affect you physically and emotionally. You will wish you were never born, etc.

The people who run these “deals” are the type of drugged out impotent wimps we purge from our community. . . . Moby, darling, theirs is very bad behavior. Let’s not confuse bad behavior with good economics. (The Sheika leans toward Keynes).

LOVE, PEACE, HEALTH CARE AND FULL EMPLOYMENT

Sheika Fatima
Sheika_fatima@yahoo.com

you see your equating the shills with good customers and i suppose they are good...for the girls. they are poison for the male side of the equation however since a schill is going to make a lot of noise about the providers who give him the best deal irregardless of the services actually rendered to the rank and file bastard keeping the light bill paid.

they poison the review pool and are the main reason im fairly blase about reviews. i read them however they arent given much weight in my reasoning behind seeing someone or not. Hell i give more weight to the poor reviews then i do the good ones.

noooooooooooooooooooo

its only pandering if you receive some sort of monetary benefit from writing the review.
lots and lots of guys wrote reviews on desert divas, az confidential and hips.

the ONLY ones that got into trouble for it were the "vip clients" who were identified as getting BIG fat discounts in exchange for the reviews..

so far, no guy in the history of the world has gotten into trouble for writing an honest review that i am aware of

this never happened to me.
the way the boardroom presented itself to me was like this:

hey ana, i saw you once before and i wanted to see you again this thursday.. i'm a member of the boardroom and was wondering if you offered a boardroom discount.

no ? ok thanks, i'll let you know about thursday.
never hear from them again.
doesnt review me at all.

happened maybe 3-4 times the first year i started out.

now i've heard your version but not from anyone i would deem trustworthy... i think a few girls jumped on the boardroom bandwagon thinking it would be a great way to explain away their bad reviews and get some sympathy. ... honestly, i dont think the boardroom played that way. .. .towards the end, they got a lil shitty, a lil too powerful but even at their worst, i think they just insulted the girls on the boards..... i do have some low scoring reviews from guys i suspect as being boardroom but the reviews themselves are great and from what i can tell, they are real but just seem to be scored lower than they should be. (in my opinion, LOL)

my worst review was written by a provider. .. not by the boardroom.

and dont forget sheika, that i am the one who exposed them so if they were going to write a bad review on anyone, it wouldve been me. .... no ... what they did was they wrote honest reviews on girls who didnt play their way, and then inflated reviews on girls who gave them discounts.... then those girls could charge inflated rates to make up for the discounts.

if you loook at the reviews posted by the boardroom, you wont see alot of "bad" reviews.. they werent doing that.... they werent "ruining" providers reputations for denying them discounts.

Moby, darling, we agree on so many things. It is only the finer points that separate us on this issue.

It goes without saying that you or I or Ana or Rick or any number of hobbyist/providers could crank out many, many, many, believable, pseudo-pornographic, self-aggrandizing, reviews. As a matter of fact it might be great fun!!! Indeed, we could all try to outdo each other, etc…

But, to get back to the point, you and I really agree that the veracity of the reviews is sorely in question. Essentially, reviews are meaningless. . . . However, reviews are an amusing read; but, they are anything but objective. For a whole variety of reasons, reviews should be taken with a grain of salt.

Let’s read the reviews; but let’s keep in mind their rather dubious quality.

There is shilling and shills. Most shilling is just stupid. Shills are dumb guys trying to be smart. They are small-change, low-lifes, trying to exert a modicum of ill-conceived control over an illicit sexual encounter. Shills are functioning at a psychological deficit. They have problems. I know it, you know it, and LE knows it. We can spot these characters--and the reviews they write--a mile away. So, why not let them post.

Now,,,, I’ll say the topic of vindictive ladies who write nasty reviews about their competitors for another day.

PEACE AND LOVE,

Sheika Fatima
Sheika-fatima@yahoo.com